Guess the grade Morgan

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  1. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Please guess the grade and also let us know what grade you think the coin should be (could be the same-depending on your standards).

    There is a TruView photo and an auction house photo (it’s the same coin).

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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister The Coin Scavenger © ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Wow.

    MS-66? 67?
     
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball Cannot Re-Member

    I'll stick my neck out and say 67. It sure is pretty!

    Chris
     
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  5. CircCam

    CircCam Well-Known Member

    Neato, 67. I think it’s deserving of it as well, fantastic luster and eye appeal.
     
  6. Evan8

    Evan8 Old Soul

    Neat coin. I think PCGS went and said MS66. There are quite a few really nice 1881S's out there including a few MS68s. The toning is gorgeous but maybe the slight flatness of the hair lines above the ear, held it back.

    My personal grade would be 67 or 67+. Maybe it's just me, but I have feeling this one graded a bit lower than everyone thinks.
     
  7. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    67

    @ddddd , Is that at a Legend auction now or recently? I feel like I just saw that coin.

    BTW, look at how the Trueview minimized the field disturbances.
     
  8. ron_c

    ron_c Well-Known Member

    "Braveheart"

    Wait, someone has gone and removed the Certificate No., how are we going to give an accurate grade guess? :D

    Because of the toning, I'll go 67
     
  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    You just guess after the grade is revealed ...it’s the Ed Wood style (for those that recall) :p
     
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  10. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy Supporter

  11. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    It might have been at Legend; I haven't checked. It sold at several venues in the last few years.

    And the TruView is an example of why I don't like to use it or rely on it by itself.
     
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  12. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    MS 67 probably. Very nice coin!
     
  13. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    I think you are overly harsh on true views. To me, way more times than not, they are by far the best images to buy from. I own about 30 coins with TVs and the only one I think is meh is an older cert when the images probably weren't as good as today. Admittedly there are times when they hide stuff but I think that's the exception rather than the rule and it's also unintentional. They are also pretty useless with proofs, but so is any image of a proof really.

    In general buying from ANY image is a risk. I really hope someday soon selling from images and videos ala instagram becomes the norm. Ebay needs to add that feature and maybe other auction houses will follow. Still not fool proof and buying in person can never be beat but seeing a video helps a lot.

    Here's an example with GC vs TV. I bought this recently from GC as a total gamble because look at the images. I was thrilled when it arrived and sent it to be TVed. The TV could not be more perfect holding the coin in hand and look at how different it is from GC.

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    I will buy from a TV with confidence and very rarely be disappointed.

    Oh and here's the one I think is a terrible TV, makes a gorgeous coin in hand look pretty bad for the grade:

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  14. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    There are examples where the TruView shows a nicer photo. They do have a way of capturing the best case look.

    I'll agree that a TruView is safer to use than most photographs you'll find on eBay or various forums. GC tends to have better photos than most sources and I have rarely been disappointed with the look of coins I've bought from their photos. Coins that are smaller-like the gold dollar you posted-are more difficult to photograph. I can see those not turning out as well.

    I stand by my comment, I have owned coins (particularly Morgans) where the TruView hides the marks/hits.
     
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  16. IBetASilverDollar

    IBetASilverDollar Well-Known Member

    I currently own 0 Morgans so maybe it's more often the case with them. I don't own one coin that I would feel I'm hiding something by selling it with only the TV though. Of all the major auction houses I would choose a TV over their images every single time (the ones I've bought from multiple times: GC, stacks, HA, David Lawrence, Legend (who now uses TVs I noticed)).
     
  17. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    It might be mainly Morgans (at least that is what I've had the most experience with). This coin is my example; if you tilt it, then the marks were minimized, but they were there. However, the TruView made the hits virtually disappear (unless you click and zoom into the image).

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  18. CircCam

    CircCam Well-Known Member

    Same... I still love TV’s but this is a good example of the above.
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  19. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  20. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Reveal later tonight...get your guesses in! :)
     
  21. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    MS 66. I agree that TruViews hide some issues of many coins, and are not “true” representations of the coin in hand. That one looks gorgeous in hand—quite a Morgan!
     
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