Guess the Grade - Mexico 1/2 Real (the other half is also real)

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by ddddd, Nov 16, 2019.

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Please guess the grade:

  1. 55

  2. 58

  3. 60

  4. 61

  5. 62

  6. 63

  7. 64

  8. 65

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  1. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    A new arrival and a new (for me) method of guessing the grade: using the NGC Photo Vision.

    Please add any comments along with guessing in the poll.

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  3. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Know nothing about these coins. Just throwing it out there..

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  4. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    No idea since XF wasn't an option :wideyed:
    I'll call it a shipwreck 62
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    The obverse has me confused. Looks like surface damage. Otherwise, seems like lots of luster on the coin.
     
  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I'll add a video that people can take a look at (use arrows on side to scroll to reverse):

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4863YDgOFC/

    It's not a details coin (and thus I didn't add that option). The coin does have semi-prooflike surfaces (stronger on reverse), which isn't always easy to capture in a photo. It is also a fairly small coin (around the size of a US Dime).
     
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  7. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Unc details, cleaned.
     
  8. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Spanish Colonial coins, like this Mexico City mint 1/2 real often come weakly struck so that what may look like a vf/xf-type wear coin is actually uncirculated.

    In this case I think high AU if not MS. More likely MS-something if one looks at the edge devices which appear unworn. Probably dipped, but not harshly cleaned, so not details. MS-63 is as close as I can call it.
     
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  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Maybe the third time I say it will be the charm: it's not a details coin! :)

    There are no hairlines; there is no corrosion. A dip is possible (as is the case with any untoned coin that is this old.

    While the guess the grade is for the current iteration, it is interesting to note that this coin was graded twice and straight graded both times (once at PCGS and once at NGC).
     
  10. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    The surfaces and appearance of that coin are like nothing I’ve ever seen before. I say MS63 just because it’s pretty clean.
     
  11. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    Could it be from a die that had rusted, and the fields were later polished?

    Voting 64 because I have no reputation to lose ;) and because so little of what’s going on looks post-mint.
     
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  12. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    The answer is MS 62.
    The coin also came with an old green label, graded MS 63 by PCGS. The seller told me he had cracked it and sent it to NGC hoping for an upgrade (or at least the same grade). Looking at it, I see where he was coming from and believe 62 is a bit low. I could definitely see it as a 63.

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  13. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    I never had a doubt. ;)
     
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  14. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Any ideas on the surface condition ? Why it looks so..... porous ?
     
  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    What's interesting is that I can barely see anything in hand (the picture really blows up the coin). I'm not sure what happened; it might be what @xlrcable suggested above (rusted die).
     
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