Guess the grade # 5

O geez I hurt your feelings. Thank you for showing all of us your true colors.
If I stuck the coins up my A-- would that adversely affect the grade , and if I used my thumb to place them there would my coins then be considered thumbed by your standards?

 

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Hey guys, please relax -- we are all fellow coin collectors.

Rather than fight about it, why don't we post a few coins that HAVE been thumbed so we can all learn what to look for and how to identify it.

 

Agreed.
Or how about this change of venue:

This thread has been moved to PCGS forums

 

SE and Mark -
Both of you guys better cool it - this is not the PCGS forum. If you don't like something, then move on...you aren't forced to comment.

Speedy
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This coin is obviously thumbed !!

 

I think you need to work on your cuticles

 

I agree !!

 

I am done with the arguing . SE if I insulted you I apologize, it was not really my intention.
GDP please grade those coins I posted.

 

The FH dollar was graded VF 30 by ICG when I bought it for VF 15-20 money . I sent it to NGC with a minimum grade for a cross at VF 20 , They would not cross it . PCGS did cross it at VF 20 . I have seen coins that look similar in F 12 – VF 25 Holders from both NGC and PCGS . The high relief on this coins die state makes grading it difficult.The 1818/7 Bust was in an ANACS Holder at Au 55 . I sent it to PCGS with a minimum grade of Au 50 for a cross. Au 55 was to generous as the luster barley made it into the fields and the surface was a bit marked up for a Au 55. I paid Au 50 money for the $600 for the Bust Half .

 

I sent the FH dollar to PCGS last October of 2009. I had sent it to NGC first.
The Bust Half was originally graded AU 55 by ANACS. I sent it to PCGS with Au 50 listed as a minimum grade for a cross. It crossed at Au 50 and was subsequently certified by CAC at Coin Fest in October of 2009. It is a great looking Au 50 .

Here is another coin that I crossed at PCGS recently . This one was in a Old ANACS holder and crossed at the same grade. Some hints – the coin has great luster and has fantastic eye appeal, there are no issues with the coin . This coin is also CAC certified .

I have a lot of Bust Half’s so this thread could go on for a while :-}

 

I have been collecting coins for 40 years. During that time I took a break of 20 years from 1988 up until 2 years ago when I started to collect again . It was a steep leaning curve but I spent a lot of time educating myself to get back up to speed. When I started buying coins again early in 2008 I was one of those guys who believed what ever was on the slab . That changed quickly as I began to educate myself on how the hobby had evolved over the years and that the TPG’s do get it wrong a lot. Buying site unseen has a lot of pitfalls so I have Mark Feld pre screen all of my major purchases prior to me bidding . Mark has a sharp eye and knows what to look for in a coin as well as what I am looking for . I usually do not ask him to pre screen the CAC stuff for reasons that should be obvious from all my past posts :-} . For me CAC is added insurance that the coin I am buying is properly graded. I do have coins that CAC has rejected that I keep in my collection for the simple reason that I like them , all the others I sell.

 

I can see that FH half as a VF-- there is relief in the hair above the brow, and nice detail in the rev. leaves and eagle wings.

The coin in the first post- I thought AU58, because I associate dark metal on high points with rub. I believe (translation, my OPINION) that it is market graded MS because it is exceptionally nice looking and coins this attractive, with original, undipped surfaces, easily sell for MS money. I don't believe that either PCGS or CAC grade to some absolute, technical standard. They grade according to what the market supports and demands. Take a look at the thread on the CU forum about the Sonnier toned Morgans-- technically, some of those coins are overgraded-- but on eye appeal they are off the charts-- and the official grades-- and selling prices-- reflect that.