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Message:: [QUOTE="Mark T, post: 865306, member: 20061"]CAC is tough on gold. Out of the 15 or so gold Indians I have sent to CAC only 5 were certified. Some of the coins that were rejected were questionable because of a possible putty job and one other had questionable toning . All the coins submitted were MS 62 or better with the exception of a couple of Au examples. Because I submitted this coin directly to CAC at a coin show I did have the opportunity to talk about it with Bill Shamhart. Bill was assisting John that day certifying the coins. To clarify – J A has final say on all coins but because this was a busy coin show with limited time to grade he needed a second set of eyes.  There were a few of my coins that were considered high end for the grade , this being one of them . I do not have the coin handy because I keep this one locked up at the bank but by memory the most outstanding feature on this coin is the amazing cartwheel luster. Grading is so subjective, I say MS 64 , you say Au , someone else say another thing. When it comes time to sell this coin I have no doubt it will get top dollar , not just because of the CAC green bean but because the coin is that good.  Will you be attending The Boston Fun show ??  If so I could bring the coin for you to see.Post script – you remind me of my local dealer. Very conservative grader, almost to conservative if there is such a thing . He was the one who thought  this one a MS 63 . [/QUOTE]