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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1932580, member: 26302"]So, exactly how does anyone prove this wear is not from circulation? How is it proven this wear is from a cabinet and not from someone's pants pocket? Better yet, like Camaro, WHY does that point matter? </p><p><br /></p><p>Cabinet friction is simply a device used to allow people to give a coin a pass, if they wish to. Its a 19th century "white lie" used in the 21st century to give out much higher grades than a coin deserves, because cabinet friction is physically impossible to distinguish from circulation wear. </p><p><br /></p><p>Btw Paul, I am horrible at coin photography so I cannot honor your request. My description would be roll friction, (from what i have observed from opening up original rolls of WL halves, Morgan rolls from the 50's, and the like, is that roll friction is high point rub that metal contact marks can be observed from. So the high points you can see were rubbed against another metal object due to metal contact marks, and is usually at 90 degree angles to the coin surface, (does not blend down into fields). Wear, (or cabinet friction), does not leave metal contact marks and does tend to blend down into fields. The difference is best observed in hand, (at least for me, with a loupe). So, maybe Matt's coins does have roll friction, and if so I have no issue with a MS grade. But, "cabinet friction" is simply wear that the TPG refuses to call wear. You physically cannot prove its not, and to me if I cannot PROVE its not wear, its wear.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1932580, member: 26302"]So, exactly how does anyone prove this wear is not from circulation? How is it proven this wear is from a cabinet and not from someone's pants pocket? Better yet, like Camaro, WHY does that point matter? Cabinet friction is simply a device used to allow people to give a coin a pass, if they wish to. Its a 19th century "white lie" used in the 21st century to give out much higher grades than a coin deserves, because cabinet friction is physically impossible to distinguish from circulation wear. Btw Paul, I am horrible at coin photography so I cannot honor your request. My description would be roll friction, (from what i have observed from opening up original rolls of WL halves, Morgan rolls from the 50's, and the like, is that roll friction is high point rub that metal contact marks can be observed from. So the high points you can see were rubbed against another metal object due to metal contact marks, and is usually at 90 degree angles to the coin surface, (does not blend down into fields). Wear, (or cabinet friction), does not leave metal contact marks and does tend to blend down into fields. The difference is best observed in hand, (at least for me, with a loupe). So, maybe Matt's coins does have roll friction, and if so I have no issue with a MS grade. But, "cabinet friction" is simply wear that the TPG refuses to call wear. You physically cannot prove its not, and to me if I cannot PROVE its not wear, its wear.[/QUOTE]
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