Guess The Grade 1924 St. Gaudens

Ok, Here is the grade. Hard to convey in the pictures... but this coin is DRIPPING luster.



Part 2 of this thread... this coin is on it's way to CAC... does it bean?

 

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nice grade. I am not liking the color though. it looks like the copper was not mixed good when they mixed in the copper alloy. is this what happened ?

 

I'll still give you $100 for it, Matt.

Chris

 

Heck, Matt, I'm a buyer at melt +10%!

 

So much for Doug's AU...lolololololol

 

You're kind of late on lowball offers, aren't you?

Chris

 

Great strike I guess I was a little late and a little low on my guess ms -65 thought the mark on the breast would keep it back does it cac I say yes green it's got a great strike and wicked good eye appeal

 

... And for the record, the new kid called the luster ;-)

 

Like I said, I do not know what kind of grading scale GDJMSP uses, but it is not right. This coin is beautiful

 

With the hit on the torso and the many hits on the rays, it shouldn't get a green bean IMO. I would like this coin better in an MS66 holder. That said, I really don't know much about grading gold coins. I do however like the color, gives the coin a wholly original look.

 

I'll call that $100 and raise 20x

 

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I didn't comment, as I don't know that series all that well. It was so obviously a gem grade coin, with huge eye appeal. My guess is that the photo doesn't do it justice to the MS67 degree, but in hand it is no doubt gorgeous. I could not imagine anybody not thinking it to be MS 65 or higher.

 

Huh? Seeing zero wear here. You should start your own TPG; you grade way tougher than any of them ever do.

 

If you would like some insight on Doug's stance regarding this subject, please read the following thread:

totally confused. difference between proof and ms?

He refuses to factor cabinet friction into his grading process. That said, you are correct, he is the hardest grader I have ever seen as well.

 

But shouldn't that be correct? What is the difference between this mysterious cabinet friction, (and when was the last time you saw cabinets being used), and wear? Answer, none. "Cabinet friction" is one of the bigger lies in US coin grading.

 

Cabinet friction is just a term used synonymously with roll friction to describe a coin that has wear created by coin to coin contact, not circulation wear. But feel free to split hairs if you like. And just because a few guys on this forum call it a lie, doesn't make it so.

 

There are times I agree with Doug as I can be rather strict this coin is not of them I don't agree with the grade either tho. I keep going back to that ding on the breast there's a few others too I was on the fence between 64 and 65 and decided to call it a 65 from the good strike regardless it's a pretty one

 

I have never heard that at all sir. I have always heard cabinet friction was just that, friction wear from being in cabinets for decades. Those old cabinets did not fit the coin perfectly, so every time the drawer was opened or closed the coin slid back and forth over either wood or cloth in the cabinet. Problem is, this is also exactly like normal wear. Roll friction, or metal on metal friction, is different. It's not soft and round like wear or "cabinet friction".

 

Btw, back to the coin, I want to commend Matt for posting it. I know I wouldn't be very happy hearing people point out disagreements with such a coin I am sure you are proud of. It is really helpful to post such coins, and we are all appreciative of you doing so.