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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1075136, member: 15309"]I have explained my opinion regarding gradeflation before and we have had this discussion before. I freely admit that gradeflation exists but I do not think that it is a result of a intentional shift in grading standards by the TPG's. Feel free to read our exchange in the thread linked below.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.cointalk.com/t119947-4/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/t119947-4/">Guess the Grade--1941-S Jefferson Nickel</a></p><p><br /></p><p>In a nutshell, gradeflation exists because of the inconsistency inherent in the grading process combined with the financial incentive of the collector/dealer to resubmit coins in hopes of a higher grade and more money. Now in your post above, you use the terms over-grading and under-grading. I don't think those terms are accurate at all and should be stricken from the conversation. Not every coin is a no brainer for a specific grade. In fact, most coins can easily be graded correctly yet be assigned different grades by different graders. The reason for this is that grading is inherently inconsistent and is an opinion of the graders. Let's take a look at the subject coin of this thread again.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Peace%20Dollars/PD1923NGCMS65wLabel.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Many graders would examine this coin and limit the grade of the coin because of the marks on the focal areas of the coin. However, the coin has premium gem luster, and above average strike, and formidable eye appeal. These virtues of the coin would cause many graders to grade the coin MS65. Which grade the coin receives depends solely upon the graders assigned to evaluate that specific coin. It is entirely possible that upon initial submission that this coin could receive the MS65 grade that it has. But if you cracked it out and resubmit it a month later, the coin might very well grade MS64. And I submit to you Doug, that both grades are correct. This coin is not a lock at either grade. It is either a PQ MS64 or a low end MS65. And this is where the gradeflation is born. Everytime a coin such as this is graded MS65, it is destined to be permanently entombed as a low end representative for the assigned grade. You admitted this in your post above. However, if this coin were graded MS64 and the price difference between MS64 & MS65 were substantial enough ($400 in this case), every collector/dealer who owned this coin would then have a financial incentive to have the coin regraded. Since we have already admitted that the coin will grade MS65 by some graders, it is only a matter of time until the coin upgrades and gradeflation prevails.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please note that nothing in this scenario to explain gradeflation includes a conscious effort on the part of the TPG's to change their grading standards. Now if you want me to believe that as the PQ coins are eliminated and the low end coin populations grow, the accepted standard for what defines a specific grade is affected, I will admit that is possible. But there is no way you will get me to believe that the TPG's or the graders they employ intentionally change their grading standards.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now you contend that someday the TPG's will tighten their grading standards. Why would they need to do that Doug? This coin was graded over a decade ago and it was a PQ MS64 or a low end MS65 when it was graded. Based upon the responses from the most knowledgeable graders on this forum, the coin is still either a PQ MS64 or low end MS65. If the grading standards had really changed over time as you believe, then why don't the members of this forum think the coin is an MS66?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1075136, member: 15309"]I have explained my opinion regarding gradeflation before and we have had this discussion before. I freely admit that gradeflation exists but I do not think that it is a result of a intentional shift in grading standards by the TPG's. Feel free to read our exchange in the thread linked below. [URL="http://www.cointalk.com/t119947-4/"]Guess the Grade--1941-S Jefferson Nickel[/URL] In a nutshell, gradeflation exists because of the inconsistency inherent in the grading process combined with the financial incentive of the collector/dealer to resubmit coins in hopes of a higher grade and more money. Now in your post above, you use the terms over-grading and under-grading. I don't think those terms are accurate at all and should be stricken from the conversation. Not every coin is a no brainer for a specific grade. In fact, most coins can easily be graded correctly yet be assigned different grades by different graders. The reason for this is that grading is inherently inconsistent and is an opinion of the graders. Let's take a look at the subject coin of this thread again. [img]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Peace%20Dollars/PD1923NGCMS65wLabel.jpg[/img] Many graders would examine this coin and limit the grade of the coin because of the marks on the focal areas of the coin. However, the coin has premium gem luster, and above average strike, and formidable eye appeal. These virtues of the coin would cause many graders to grade the coin MS65. Which grade the coin receives depends solely upon the graders assigned to evaluate that specific coin. It is entirely possible that upon initial submission that this coin could receive the MS65 grade that it has. But if you cracked it out and resubmit it a month later, the coin might very well grade MS64. And I submit to you Doug, that both grades are correct. This coin is not a lock at either grade. It is either a PQ MS64 or a low end MS65. And this is where the gradeflation is born. Everytime a coin such as this is graded MS65, it is destined to be permanently entombed as a low end representative for the assigned grade. You admitted this in your post above. However, if this coin were graded MS64 and the price difference between MS64 & MS65 were substantial enough ($400 in this case), every collector/dealer who owned this coin would then have a financial incentive to have the coin regraded. Since we have already admitted that the coin will grade MS65 by some graders, it is only a matter of time until the coin upgrades and gradeflation prevails. Please note that nothing in this scenario to explain gradeflation includes a conscious effort on the part of the TPG's to change their grading standards. Now if you want me to believe that as the PQ coins are eliminated and the low end coin populations grow, the accepted standard for what defines a specific grade is affected, I will admit that is possible. But there is no way you will get me to believe that the TPG's or the graders they employ intentionally change their grading standards. Now you contend that someday the TPG's will tighten their grading standards. Why would they need to do that Doug? This coin was graded over a decade ago and it was a PQ MS64 or a low end MS65 when it was graded. Based upon the responses from the most knowledgeable graders on this forum, the coin is still either a PQ MS64 or low end MS65. If the grading standards had really changed over time as you believe, then why don't the members of this forum think the coin is an MS66?[/QUOTE]
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