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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;eddiespin, post: 487727, member: 4920&quot;]Evidently I&#039;m not going to get any definitions out of anybody, so let me try a different approach. Why, Lehigh, do you choose to presume the toning is NT? Why not, instead, presume it&#039;s AT, and put the burden of going forward with evidence sufficient to rebut the presumption on the proponents of NT? The question would then become, &quot;Why, specifically, do you propose the toning is NT?&quot; If you&#039;re unable to answer the question to any reasonable degree of certainty, we then, of course, would be entitled to fall back on the presumption the toning is AT.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bottom-line, you set a trap for the unwary. It was unintentional. From what I believe one can reasonably infer from your reply, you weren&#039;t even aware of it, yourself. But, net effect, that&#039;s what you did, when you chose to presume the toning is NT, and put the burden on Zaneman to show otherwise. You&#039;re a winner, there, because, in Zaneman&#039;s own words, &quot;It just doesn&#039;t seem right to me.&quot; That&#039;s the best he could do...the best anybody could do...without any definitions of NT and AT.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your method, furthermore, just so happens to mimic the method of the TPGs, when they &quot;evaluate&quot; these toned coins for the market, and give them their so-called &quot;market grades.&quot; They presume the toning is NT, going in. Again, that&#039;s a hard presumption to overcome, understand, without any definitions of AT and NT. In fact, it&#039;s just as hard to overcome as presuming the toning is AT, going in, without any such definitions. More of these toned coins &quot;pass the test&quot; that way, however, which is what the TPGs want, because, let&#039;s face it, that&#039;s where the money is. It&#039;s also what the submitters want. It&#039;s also, of course, what the auctioneers want. It&#039;s a game, for sure. In the final analysis, however, everybody is happy...even the buyer, as he or she now has confirmation of the toning in the form of a TPG slab.</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, let me restate, I believe your coin is NT. Let me add, just so there’s no misunderstanding, I mean it, I mean it, I mean it. My “rationale?” It&#039;s just the opposite of Zaneman&#039;s “rationale.” Again, that&#039;s the best I can do, the best anybody can do, given we&#039;re without definitions. It just seems right to me, based on what I&#039;ve seen...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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