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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1076237, member: 15309"]PURE PROPAGANA, nothing more.</p><p><br /></p><p>How many Peace Dollars do the TPG's grade each month Doug? When it is convenient, you claim that you can't lump coins of different series together. But in this case, you want to lump all of the coins graded from all of the series (including moderns) so that the numbers appear to support your claim.</p><p><br /></p><p>The NGC population reports list that 500,000 Peace Dollars have been graded in their entire history. I would imagine that PCGS is in the same ball park. I posted the first two coins I found in old NGC slabs. I did not search for a coin that would support my opinion. The result was that both coins were graded higher than what most of the membership of this forum thought they would grade. If there was an intentional loosening of the grading standards for Peace Dollars over the last decade, it would be reflected in opinions of the CT members. </p><p><br /></p><p>Your first excuse after the first Peace Dollars was that you can't accurately grade coins from photos. After the second Peace Dollar, your excuse is that looking at such a small population of coins can't prove anything about the standards of such a large population. When I post the next one, you will have another excuse. You eloquently provided the reason why you will have another excuse.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That sums you up pretty well. You believe what you want to believe and when evidence to the contrary is presented, your only reaction is to defend your belief and make excuses. Then you proceed to post in the most condescending manner possible a delcaration of how your opinion is the only logical opinion and attempt to bolster support for your opinion by claiming that all experienced collectors and dealers agree with your opinion without ever providing evidence that they do.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have asked on numerous occasions to provide an examples to support your claims. You fight with me tooth and nail about every point I try to make. Not one time have you yielded and admitted that any of my points have any merit. You are so willing to engage me at every turn, but you refuse to post examples. Why is that Doug? Your claim is that it won't prove anything. If it won't prove anything, why are you so hesitant to do it. I challenge you to try to find an auction archive from Heritage over the last two years of a Peace Dollar in an older holder that supports your claim. You will be hard pressed to find one. Most of the examples that you will be searching for have already become victims of gradeflation and have been upgraded. All that remains in the older holders are those coins that were low end for the grade when they were graded.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now before you get excited Doug, remember that I don't dispute that gradeflation exists. I freely admit that it exists. Our difference of opinion hinges upon the cause of gradeflation. You believe that gradeflation is caused by an intentional loosening of the grading standards in order to boost resumbissions. I believe that it is an inevitable result of the inconsistencies inherent in the grading process. All those coins that were graded over a decade ago as PQ for the grade now reside in Low end holders of the next highest grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>So if you want me to believe that the increased number of coins that are low end for the grade have caused a gradual erosion of the grading standards over time, I can accept that. But you are asking me to believe that gradeflation is caused by the TPG's purposefully changing their grading standards in order to boost resubmissions. That I cannot accept.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1076237, member: 15309"]PURE PROPAGANA, nothing more. How many Peace Dollars do the TPG's grade each month Doug? When it is convenient, you claim that you can't lump coins of different series together. But in this case, you want to lump all of the coins graded from all of the series (including moderns) so that the numbers appear to support your claim. The NGC population reports list that 500,000 Peace Dollars have been graded in their entire history. I would imagine that PCGS is in the same ball park. I posted the first two coins I found in old NGC slabs. I did not search for a coin that would support my opinion. The result was that both coins were graded higher than what most of the membership of this forum thought they would grade. If there was an intentional loosening of the grading standards for Peace Dollars over the last decade, it would be reflected in opinions of the CT members. Your first excuse after the first Peace Dollars was that you can't accurately grade coins from photos. After the second Peace Dollar, your excuse is that looking at such a small population of coins can't prove anything about the standards of such a large population. When I post the next one, you will have another excuse. You eloquently provided the reason why you will have another excuse. That sums you up pretty well. You believe what you want to believe and when evidence to the contrary is presented, your only reaction is to defend your belief and make excuses. Then you proceed to post in the most condescending manner possible a delcaration of how your opinion is the only logical opinion and attempt to bolster support for your opinion by claiming that all experienced collectors and dealers agree with your opinion without ever providing evidence that they do. I have asked on numerous occasions to provide an examples to support your claims. You fight with me tooth and nail about every point I try to make. Not one time have you yielded and admitted that any of my points have any merit. You are so willing to engage me at every turn, but you refuse to post examples. Why is that Doug? Your claim is that it won't prove anything. If it won't prove anything, why are you so hesitant to do it. I challenge you to try to find an auction archive from Heritage over the last two years of a Peace Dollar in an older holder that supports your claim. You will be hard pressed to find one. Most of the examples that you will be searching for have already become victims of gradeflation and have been upgraded. All that remains in the older holders are those coins that were low end for the grade when they were graded. Now before you get excited Doug, remember that I don't dispute that gradeflation exists. I freely admit that it exists. Our difference of opinion hinges upon the cause of gradeflation. You believe that gradeflation is caused by an intentional loosening of the grading standards in order to boost resumbissions. I believe that it is an inevitable result of the inconsistencies inherent in the grading process. All those coins that were graded over a decade ago as PQ for the grade now reside in Low end holders of the next highest grade. So if you want me to believe that the increased number of coins that are low end for the grade have caused a gradual erosion of the grading standards over time, I can accept that. But you are asking me to believe that gradeflation is caused by the TPG's purposefully changing their grading standards in order to boost resubmissions. That I cannot accept.[/QUOTE]
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