Guess the grade: 1902 Indian Cent Red/Brown

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by 40_mila_kokkina, Jan 26, 2014.

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This is a red/brown Indian Cent but what do you think the Sheldon Scale Grade is?

Poll closed Feb 2, 2014.
  1. Genuine/Details

    10.5%
  2. AU-55

    26.3%
  3. AU-58

    21.1%
  4. AU-60

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. MS-61

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. MS-62

    26.3%
  7. MS-63

    21.1%
  8. MS-64

    5.3%
  9. MS-65

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. MS-66

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Pics please on this one......
     
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  3. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I have loads of coins from SEGS. Any particular requests?
     
  4. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Any in their newer slabs , how about a Morgan .
     
  5. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Yes, any coin you feel that SEGS graded tougher than NGC would have.
     
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  6. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Do you really expect us to buy that you, as an ebay seller, choose to submit to SEGS and then knowingly offer a (supposedly) more conservatively graded coin in a holder that is generally worth less than a same grade NGC counterpart would be? Are we really to believe that you are happy with an SEGS64 over an NGC65 even though you would almost certainly be, at times, eating a substantial loss? Sorry, but I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and am not buying it.
     
  7. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Sorry, never submitted a Morgan to them yet. Here's second best. I submitted this Peace Dollar to them back in October/November, 2013. Tell me what you think. DSC03051.JPG DSC03054.JPG
     
  8. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'd give the obverse a 58 and the reverse a 53 , but I could be a little low on the reverse and since you grade by the weakest side 55 is very feasible . Nice '23 .
     
  9. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Here's a couple of coins I couldn't believe how conservatively they graded, when I received them back I was baffled thinking "huh?".
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  10. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Okay Mercedes-Benz. Yes, I do expect you to buy this. Why would I send my coins in to grade with them for big money if I had no confidence that their opinion was worthwhile? I actually do purchase SEGS coins ahead of NGC. I don't think NGC is any too good. Turnip truck eh? Got any radishes on board that truck too? I like them more.
     
  11. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Thank you. This one is sold though to a customer in Vermont.
     
  12. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I really like the Buffalo. Very nice eye appeal. However, shouldn't the Flying Eagle have gotten a details grade due to the reverse rim damage?
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's net graded because of it's issues.
     
  14. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I remember the coin before being slabbed. There were rim cud issues, it wasn't banged up. The corrosion spot is obvious though.
     
  15. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    So did a couple of other people like the Buffalo. I had two buyers for it but one was a bit delayed in paying so another gentleman swooped it up. In retrospect I should have cracked out this Buffalo given the grade and tried my luck elsewhere. I got $45 for it (which is okay) and perhaps could have gotten more if graded higher. So this may be the example to show that SEGS is not SGS by any stretch.
     
  16. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause


    Well, I am not familar with FE cents so i will only speak on the T1 Buff. I am almost certain that coin would get a details grade at NGC for QC and a just being boinked with in general. That is the way I see it at least.
     
  17. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I think it's a Genuine/Details
     
  18. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I think it's a Genuine/Details
     
  19. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    MS-61 coins often have been chemically altered but display no wear. I've seen NGC slab MS-63 Flying Eagle Cents that have been clearly cleaned so you might be right in that it is details although honestly the color looked really natural on this one so I'm not sure that is the case. Why do you think the color is questionable?
     
  20. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    Okay, tell me why you believe this please.
     
  21. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    The toning appears to be like rust or corrosion in some places. It does not appear normal to me. I don't believe NGC would call it Market Acceptable.
     
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