Guess the grade 1863 Two Cent Piece

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  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'll explain in more detail tomorrow - way past my bedtime :vanish:
     
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  3. snaz

    snaz Registry fever

    dittto
     
    snaz, Oct 9, 2008
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  4. Genghis Coin

    Genghis Coin New Member

    I guess I can stop lurking long enough to say that I think the coin will come back a 65. Although I wonder if NGC will be nicer to it after it goes through NCS.
     
    Genghis Coin, Oct 9, 2008
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    welcome to the forum!

    tell us about youself.
     
    Treashunt, Oct 9, 2008
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  6. Genghis Coin

    Genghis Coin New Member


    Thanks for the welcome!
    I've been working with Jason for a little over a year now. I'm chiefly responsible for seeding wheat penny bags with ridiculously expensive coins.
     
    Genghis Coin, Oct 9, 2008
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  7. HandsomeToad

    HandsomeToad Urinist

    I'll take the bag of ridiculously expensive coins! :bow:

    Welcome to CoinTalk! :hail:

    Ribbit :)
     
    HandsomeToad, Oct 9, 2008
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  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    Color looks "off" but that could be the photos.

    I'd guess PF 65 -- if it slabs and doesn't come back with the dreaded altered surfaces or questionable color moniker....Mike

    p.s. cool pattern!
     
    Leadfoot, Oct 9, 2008
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK - the following pics show what I think are a couple of differences. I agree that NP was right about the rotation, once I straightened the pics out they do appear the same.

    But look at the leaf with arrow on Jason's coin and the other one, there are differences at the bottom of that leaf. And at the base of the U on Jason's coin there appears to be a small raised dot that is not on the other coin. Minor differences yes, but if the coins were struck with the same relatively unused dies they should not be there.
     

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  10. davidh

    davidh soloist gnomic

    There were at least two die sets used to make these patterns. I'm not an expert by any means and don't know all the differences but I'm sure someone here can explain.
     
    davidh, Oct 10, 2008
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  11. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Well , unfortunately the coins color held it back from being certified by NGC - here she is in the NCS slab .

    Authentic as the rare pattern that it is but no true grade.

    Another on the drool list for me-
     

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    Bedford, Nov 26, 2008
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  12. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I guess that I should still congratulate you even if it did not grade. At least it is real.
     
    rlm's cents, Nov 26, 2008
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  13. vipergts2

    vipergts2 Jester in hobby of kings

    I am assuming that with the relative scarcity of this coin, a grade would not matter that much anyway. With no real wear and only a few in existance each new sale would bring a new price.

    Very nice piece.
     
    vipergts2, Nov 26, 2008
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