Guess the crossover grades.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by C-B-D, May 14, 2014.

  1. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    That 1811 coin is a fantastic example. Even as the only one that "downgraded" slightly, I think you will do just fine. Though, I would have preferred it in the NGC plastic personally.
     
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  3. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Well, I won't argue if you are seeing a trend you can capitalize off of. I certainly do see that PCGS does, in many cases, bring in a better price than an NGC coin of same quality. And some people, regardless of whether it is really true or not, do seem to think that NGC grades a little higher than PCGS would, so the money is just not there on the stated grade.

    As you can see without a true 'crossover' since you broke them free, PCGS did grade the 1811 lower. Which would 'support' that line of thought. But PCGS graded the second coin higher, which doesn't 'support' that line of thought. And on the last one, it's probably a good thing to get it into PCGS plastic just to capitalize off of the demand for coins in PCGS plastic vs ICG....plus you gained on it.

    Keep looking for the trends.
     
  4. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    1811/1818: Question for all the CBH aficionados, who got it right, NGC or PCGS?
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I thought 40, 35, and 40
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Personally I think the coins are 35, 25, and 45. All based on the pics of course, but the only one I feel I might change if seen in hand is the last, I might say 40.
     
  7. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Man you are tough. 20 years ago when I was buying a lot of these I wouldn't have objected if the 1811 was described as XF. Its boderline gVF/low end XF in my eyes, but since it was an 11 I wouldn't have thrown too much a fuss.

    I thought I was a pretty tough grader. :(
     
  8. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Seems so obvious and yet still needs to be said lol... I don't have anything against TPG's per se but I prefer to trust my own eyes when deciding which coins to spend my money on. If anything I tend to avoid PCGS graded coins because they can get to be overpriced just because of perception of their grading reputation (which I'm not denying is a good one; just that I don't consider it worth paying extra for lol...). The only person's opinion that matters to me in the end when deciding what coins I'm going to buy, is my own.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not really, I just follow the ANA standards, and I don't just trust my memory. Get the book out, read what it says for each of those grades. And I'll bet you come up with the same grades I did.

    I think where a lot of people make their mistakes with grading is that they start from the top and work down, when what they should be doing is start at the bottom and work up. For example, if when you first glance at a coin you are thinking it might be a 40 or so, you first read the standards for VF20, and then VF30, and only then XF40, or higher. That is because before a coin can move up a grade, it first has to meet and then exceed the criteria for the lower grade. People tend to forget that.
     
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  10. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    This part is a jewel. I think you are absolutely right on this perception of how most folks grade coins.

    Oh it matches what it says for AU-50, but never consider does it match all the criteria from grades below that one.

    So I guess grading is cumulative in a way???
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I think progressive is a better word.
     
  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Yes and no. You are the one Doug who always says every coin is unique, right? So, any standards are generally used, knowing on occasion there will be coins that will not exactly meet the criteria, but overall do. I think you know I am one who hates grade inflation as well, but given the attractiveness of that coin overall, and how empirically to my eye it is a classic borderline vf/xf coin, I simply do not object to a grade of 40. 45 I would be all over arguing how its overgraded, but low end XF I am ok with. To my eyes, its a VF37 or an XF38. But, in the end, its in the eye of the buyer, (or should be). Still a pretty coin for an 11.
     
  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I'd have called the NGC grades of xf 45 for the 1811 and the vf 30 for the 1818 accurate and I'd have graded the 1836 an xf 40 it seems the tpgs can vary as much as 10 points especially for certain series of coins
     
  14. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    I have no idea on the grades, but I'm quite jealous of your pictures. They are amazing!
     
  15. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    In my opinion none of the tpgs got them all correct. I personally think on some of the coins I collect PCGS gets more right that NGC. That is just a personal opinion and I do not consider myself an expert grader.
     
  16. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Just an above average one by far .
     
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