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<p>[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2604081, member: 15929"]Ahhh, I choose this answer to formulate my response to the statements regarding "hits".</p><p><br /></p><p>First Off, I need to preface everything with the simple fact that CnClad coins are incredibly hard compared to their silver (90% or 40%) counterparts. Dinging one with a hit is fairly difficult to do and pretty much impossible with normal circulation handling.</p><p><br /></p><p>I strongly expect that the minting process itself, which produces physically hot coins, is the PRIMARY point where reeded edge hits occur. Especially on the IKE Dollar as they get dropped into bags.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, IKEs are typically covered with numerous surface defects which look like coin hits. The only "hits" actually pay attention too are the reeded hits. Everything else is suspect as an actual hit by another coin since lincolns are far too soft to damage anything but themselves and nickels just do not have the necessary bulk too affect anything other than Lincolns.</p><p><br /></p><p>During the minting process, the CnClad blanks are annealed "to soften them". Annealing occurs in barrels where the coins freely hit each pother and subsequently leave marks. Unreeded Marks I might add since the reeding occurs during the striking process.</p><p><br /></p><p>TYPICALLY, the striking process causes enough metal flow to eliminate annealing marks.........with the exception of the Larger CnClad Coins. Specifically Kennedy's and Ike's. When the annealing marks are not "struck out" of the coin, from the press operators standpoint, the striking pressure is dialed up until a reasonable strike occurs.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem the US Mint had with the large diameter CnClad IKE's was that the required pressure to provide a clean strike was usually detrimental to the die's and ultimately the presses. So, the pressure was dialed back down until a remedy could be found.</p><p><br /></p><p>Typically, 1971 and 1972 IKE's have a series of what looks like hits, near the edge of the coin. The edge, due to the nature of die design receives the lowest striking pressure and as such is the area most affected by annealing marks which are not struck out.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Profile on the Obverse, namely the cheek and chin area, is another area that can suffer from weak striking pressures and leave what appear to be deep hits in these area's of the IKE Dollar.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the OP's coin, the only real hit I see is that which appears on the tail area as the reeding is distinct. Everything else is subject to interpretation again pointing out that these coins cold, are incredibly hard. Comparing their surfaces with that of the Morgan or Peace Dollar is just plain silly since both of those silver coins are easily marked due to the relative softness of the silver allow.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, IF there is an abundance of marks on the cheek, chin, and fields, then the coin will achieve a lower grade. (It should be important to note that "hits" whether from the annealing process or from the packaging methods employed by the US Mint should NEVER be an indicator of circulation. Primarily because "hits", "scrapes" and other marks can be achieved during the handling of the bags that American coinage was delivered to banks in.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins which survived striking with the removal of annealing marks in both high and low relief area's DO exist and usually are graded in the MS66 and up area's but there are far more that did not survive those processes which has been a bane to the Eisenhower Dollar since it's initial release.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="19Lyds, post: 2604081, member: 15929"]Ahhh, I choose this answer to formulate my response to the statements regarding "hits". First Off, I need to preface everything with the simple fact that CnClad coins are incredibly hard compared to their silver (90% or 40%) counterparts. Dinging one with a hit is fairly difficult to do and pretty much impossible with normal circulation handling. I strongly expect that the minting process itself, which produces physically hot coins, is the PRIMARY point where reeded edge hits occur. Especially on the IKE Dollar as they get dropped into bags. Now, IKEs are typically covered with numerous surface defects which look like coin hits. The only "hits" actually pay attention too are the reeded hits. Everything else is suspect as an actual hit by another coin since lincolns are far too soft to damage anything but themselves and nickels just do not have the necessary bulk too affect anything other than Lincolns. During the minting process, the CnClad blanks are annealed "to soften them". Annealing occurs in barrels where the coins freely hit each pother and subsequently leave marks. Unreeded Marks I might add since the reeding occurs during the striking process. TYPICALLY, the striking process causes enough metal flow to eliminate annealing marks.........with the exception of the Larger CnClad Coins. Specifically Kennedy's and Ike's. When the annealing marks are not "struck out" of the coin, from the press operators standpoint, the striking pressure is dialed up until a reasonable strike occurs. The problem the US Mint had with the large diameter CnClad IKE's was that the required pressure to provide a clean strike was usually detrimental to the die's and ultimately the presses. So, the pressure was dialed back down until a remedy could be found. Typically, 1971 and 1972 IKE's have a series of what looks like hits, near the edge of the coin. The edge, due to the nature of die design receives the lowest striking pressure and as such is the area most affected by annealing marks which are not struck out. The Profile on the Obverse, namely the cheek and chin area, is another area that can suffer from weak striking pressures and leave what appear to be deep hits in these area's of the IKE Dollar. On the OP's coin, the only real hit I see is that which appears on the tail area as the reeding is distinct. Everything else is subject to interpretation again pointing out that these coins cold, are incredibly hard. Comparing their surfaces with that of the Morgan or Peace Dollar is just plain silly since both of those silver coins are easily marked due to the relative softness of the silver allow. Now, IF there is an abundance of marks on the cheek, chin, and fields, then the coin will achieve a lower grade. (It should be important to note that "hits" whether from the annealing process or from the packaging methods employed by the US Mint should NEVER be an indicator of circulation. Primarily because "hits", "scrapes" and other marks can be achieved during the handling of the bags that American coinage was delivered to banks in.) Coins which survived striking with the removal of annealing marks in both high and low relief area's DO exist and usually are graded in the MS66 and up area's but there are far more that did not survive those processes which has been a bane to the Eisenhower Dollar since it's initial release. Thats my story and I'm sticking to it.[/QUOTE]
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