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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 4534891, member: 24314"]TypeCoin971793, posted: "Yes, and if you get away from the center of the reverse, you will find VF levels of detail. This is the same way on the obverse (stars, drapery, etc.). When such a disparity exists, it can generally be assumed to be weakly struck. Also, the head of the eagle has a somewhat rounded appearance on the edges, which is indicative of a weak strike."</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">I guess you read my post. "When I look at one of these, I examine the detail in the area from the bottom point of the shield to the bottom of the stem and from the claw to the leaves. Generally, the amount of detail in this area will match the grade." </span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>"Well, if you show someone the obverse of an MS-68 morgan and they say VG, I think we can all say that VG grade is stupid."</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">No, the person is either ignorant or blind.</span></i> </p><p><br /></p><p>"PCGS Photograde is essentially useless for CBHs. They don’t take into account strike variations nor the different bust/eagle styles used between 1807 and 1836."</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">I disagree. It is a guide for the ignorant and blind and using it will get you close to a suitable grade.</span></i> </p><p><br /></p><p>"I think we both know that it is almost certainly residual mint luster. On CBHs, the luster remained around the devices well into the VF range, and (rarely) sometimes into the F range." </p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">Probably, but best to see the coin in hand as an unnatural surface can look like luster in an image. When I learned to grade, a coin in Fine could have luster in the protected areas. These days, a coin with any luster remaining is graded XF by many!</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>"Yes, and that really isn’t a reason to net it down 10 points or so."</p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">I have been told that ALL GRADING IS NET GRADING! You start at MS and work down the scale. TPGS's say that they assign values to coins by the grade on the label. Unfortunately, coins with flat or weak strikes lose value.</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>Namely who their employer is." <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie93" alt=":troll:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: #660000">Unfortunately that MAY BE one of the variables for some professional graders. However, I've been extremely lucky to be immune from that kind of pressure. I grade coins, others have the option to agree or disagree.</span></i> <span style="color: #660000"><i>As I wrote above, I've NEVER seen any grading rules at any TPGS I've worked for. Oh, there was</i><b><font size="6"><span style="color: #b30000"> one</span></font></b> <i><b><span style="color: #b30000">RULE</span></b> that has virtually become <b>obsolete</b> over the years: "MS-64 is the highest grade given for a weakly struck coin." </i></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 4534891, member: 24314"]TypeCoin971793, posted: "Yes, and if you get away from the center of the reverse, you will find VF levels of detail. This is the same way on the obverse (stars, drapery, etc.). When such a disparity exists, it can generally be assumed to be weakly struck. Also, the head of the eagle has a somewhat rounded appearance on the edges, which is indicative of a weak strike." [I][COLOR=#660000]I guess you read my post. "When I look at one of these, I examine the detail in the area from the bottom point of the shield to the bottom of the stem and from the claw to the leaves. Generally, the amount of detail in this area will match the grade." [/COLOR][/I] "Well, if you show someone the obverse of an MS-68 morgan and they say VG, I think we can all say that VG grade is stupid." [I][COLOR=#660000]No, the person is either ignorant or blind.[/COLOR][/I] "PCGS Photograde is essentially useless for CBHs. They don’t take into account strike variations nor the different bust/eagle styles used between 1807 and 1836." [I][COLOR=#660000]I disagree. It is a guide for the ignorant and blind and using it will get you close to a suitable grade.[/COLOR][/I] "I think we both know that it is almost certainly residual mint luster. On CBHs, the luster remained around the devices well into the VF range, and (rarely) sometimes into the F range." [I][COLOR=#660000]Probably, but best to see the coin in hand as an unnatural surface can look like luster in an image. When I learned to grade, a coin in Fine could have luster in the protected areas. These days, a coin with any luster remaining is graded XF by many![/COLOR][/I] "Yes, and that really isn’t a reason to net it down 10 points or so." [I][COLOR=#660000]I have been told that ALL GRADING IS NET GRADING! You start at MS and work down the scale. TPGS's say that they assign values to coins by the grade on the label. Unfortunately, coins with flat or weak strikes lose value.[/COLOR][/I] Namely who their employer is." :troll::rolleyes:;):smuggrin: [I][COLOR=#660000]Unfortunately that MAY BE one of the variables for some professional graders. However, I've been extremely lucky to be immune from that kind of pressure. I grade coins, others have the option to agree or disagree.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#660000][I]As I wrote above, I've NEVER seen any grading rules at any TPGS I've worked for. Oh, there was[/I][B][SIZE=6][COLOR=#b30000] one[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [I][B][COLOR=#b30000]RULE[/COLOR][/B] that has virtually become [B]obsolete[/B] over the years: "MS-64 is the highest grade given for a weakly struck coin." [/I][/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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