GTG - '80-S $1

Ah, my apologies- I was hoping to share a proper slab shot for the reveal, but alas it has not arrived today so this will have to do.


I’ll be posting some follow up photos to this thread when she arrives.

 

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No “PL”??

 

64? Seriously? What is hiding in those pictures that we aren't seeing?

Do you have any other pictures of this coin? Because I'm not seeing a 64 no-PL coin in the pictures you have posted.

 

Nope, I viewed tons of MS TrueViews trying to find one without the designation that looked like this. I know TV’s are often kind to coins but I don’t see how fields like that didn’t at least get PL.

 

TruViews can hide some things. I was debating between 64 and 65, but guessed it was closer to a 65. I could see some hits being hidden in the image. However, the lack of PL is more surprising to me (but then again the photos may be too optimistic).

 

That’s what I’m wondering myself so I’m anxious to get it in hand and share some different perspective images. Any time the PL is missing on a clearly PL coin it makes me question the whole grade though, but I’ll have to see it in hand to say and will share more photos then for sure so we can all see what the deal is here, or if there is no deal and the grade is wrong.

 

Assuming then that this is a recent acquisition for you.... I would say you got yourself a deal on an undergraded coin. Unless something jumps out at you when you get it in hand. She is a beaut!

 

They down-graded it for the deteriorated die state.

 

1. That is an extremely early die state, and is thus is often considered more perfect than later die states.

2. They don't downgrade for die state.

 

I'll beg to differ with you. What you're evidently seeing as flow lines on an early die state are deterioration lines on a PL die. Also, they say they don't downgrade for die state.

 

The what are the what and do what? Explain what you mean.

"Flow lines" develop as a die ages, and contribute to the appearance of mint luster. A brand new die is polished (hence the die polish lines). These die polish lines erode as the metal moves on the die, and give rise to the lustrous fields we associate with a business strike coin. The mirror finish quickly wears off the die. The coin shown is a very early die state, evidenced by the sharp, crisp details of all the devices, lack of flow lines engraved on the die, and absence of die cracks.

 

You don't have to get snarky. I'll call the new moderator on you.

Let's take it from here. Look at the polish lines, most obviously adjacent the date. That die didn't start out that way. It started to deteriorate and was polished for it. Some of the deterioration remained, they didn't get it all. It's also a PL surface, so they blew that, too. That's what I'm seeing.

 

I'd be a buyer at 64+ money.

 

I stand by my original grade. 65 no dmpl, no pl, maybe a +, but nothing more. It’s an 1880-S

 

What Jason is saying is that PL surfaces are indicative of an early die state and that they quickly disappear as the die ages. So unless you are saying that the die was repolished to the point that the mirrored surfaces were restored, then the coin has to EDS.

 

Anyway you know you have to crack it out... it can only upgrade.

 

I’m one to believe that chances are the graders got it right unless I see it in hand and the coin absolutely proves otherwise- this particular coin has me intrigued because the TrueViews I’m seeing that get graded MS don’t look like this. The closest MS coin (strictly the “look” of the fields, not the grade) I’ve found so far is this one, and looks like the reverse kept it from PL:

MS68

Then the vast majority of 80-S TV’s look like this:

MS65+




Then PL/DMPL:



OP:


Granted, most of the above coins are ultra high-end gorgeous plate coins and in another league, but unless the photographer did something completely different setup-wise I’m wondering why the fields would look that way in the TV if the coin isn’t PL.

Maybe I’ll take a crack at some @RonSanderson style images.

 

Please do!

 

I don’t believe that grade from the pics. It may just be pcgs and their ridiculous tight grading as of late

 

64 PL