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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 2069630, member: 15309&quot;]First, I don&#039;t agree that the Washington quarter has terminal state toning.&nbsp; The obverse has patches of ugly brown toning and the reverse has attractive rainbow toning.&nbsp; But for you to include two coins of mine that are both graded MS67 by NGC in the &quot;terminal toning&quot; category in a desperate attempt to discredit me is not only ridiculous, it is sad.&nbsp; Very very sad.&nbsp; I had no idea you were so petulant.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars%204%20Sale/MD1881-SNGCMS67GF_zpscde16201.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Standing%20Liberty%20Quarters/SLQ1924-DNGCMS671.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I assume these are the two coins you are talking about.&nbsp; Yet you accuse me of comparing apples to oranges.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am not talking about a bit of a gamble which does exist even on moderately toned coins.&nbsp; I am referring to coins that have deep terminal state toning that affects luster.&nbsp; Coins like the Walker in the OP and the Netherlands coin you posted. Dipping coins like that pushes the level of risk far beyond &quot;a bit of a gamble.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The only luster I see beneath the surfaces is on the reverse.&nbsp; Your coin photo whispering abilities aside, there is no way that you can see luster on the obverse of that coin.&nbsp; Furthermore, the dog I posted was the first example that I found in about 20 seconds.&nbsp; I used it because it was the same year and series.&nbsp; My evaluation of the coin in the OP was based on years of experience with toned coins, as well as an understanding of how PCGS evaluates deeply toned coins.&nbsp; In my experience, PCGS does not like &quot;terminal state&quot; toning and they have and will grade coins with extensive amounts of such toning as Genuine with environmental damage.&nbsp; Furthermore, I was not the only one in this thread who had such &quot;worry&quot;.&nbsp; Frank (Treashunt) had the exact same first impression.&nbsp; And if Doug had bothered to chime in, I bet he would have had a similar concern.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I didn&#039;t invent the term &quot;terminal state toning.&quot;&nbsp; That is what charcoal/black toning is called in the numismatic community.&nbsp; It is not meant to sound like a disease, rather it simply means it is the last stage of the toning process.&nbsp; And of course, there are different levels of terminal state toning.&nbsp; The &quot;dog&quot; I posted as an example is more deeply toned than that in the OP, but both exhibit terminal state toning.&nbsp; One is an obvious problem coin, the other is borderline.&nbsp; Finding that line that the TPGs use to differentiate between a coin with acceptable original deep toning and environmental damage is not easy, and every coin with such toning should be scrutinized.</p><p><br /></p><p>I made it very clear that I am tough on coins that exhibit terminal state toning.&nbsp; Never once did I criticize those who choose to collect such coins.&nbsp; But I think it is important for people to know that coins with terminal state toning carry an inherent risk because there are a significant number of collectors who share my feelings on the subject and would not be willing to purchase such a coin at full value.&nbsp; Your repeated attempts to cast me as a hypocrite by insisting that some of my E-Bay offerings are in the same category as the coin in the OP are rancorous. </p><p><br /></p><p>You stated that your previous post that it will be the last in this thread.&nbsp; When you engage in the type of trolling posts that you have made in this thread, it doesn&#039;t give others the impression that you are taking the high road by bowing out.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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