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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Gallienus, post: 4293750, member: 42034&quot;]Thanks for this explanation john Milton.&nbsp; I&#039;ll also go into a bit a my own experience.&nbsp; Years ago I bought this 1880 gold dollar out of a C.E. Bullowa auction.&nbsp; To make roon for other things I decided to sell it through a &quot;Bowers and Merena&quot; auction.&nbsp; B&amp;M used to be a major auction house for nicer US.&nbsp; B&amp;M took this 1880 coin and graded it ms-63.&nbsp; This is my photo which isn&#039;t the best.&nbsp; The coin is fully cameo P/L but this photo brings out some very small ticks in the obv field which are less evident in person.&nbsp; The reverse is flawless but nobody cares about that.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://coinsandhistory.com/pix_shared/pix_cointalk/USA_1D_1880_both.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Even graded as an ms-63, this coin didn&#039;t sell so I got it back.&nbsp; There does appear to be a mark on the neck in this photo which I don&#039;t recall in the actual coin.&nbsp; I remember the reason that the coin was 63&#039;d were the small ticks in the obv field.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is also a problem I have today in trying to buy golds out of on-line auctions.&nbsp; Many of the slabbed 64 level specimens have large unsightly marks on Liberty&#039;s face.&nbsp; I guess I&#039;ll stick to circulated silver thalers [foreign] from the 15th &amp; 16th centuries...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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