GTG: 1885 Seated Liberty Quarter

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Clash
     
    C-B-D, Aug 18, 2019
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  3. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    MS66
     
    longshot, Aug 18, 2019
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  4. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    That’s all it could be I’m sure but then I just can’t picture that shape coming from the wing.
     
    eddiespin, Aug 18, 2019
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  5. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    The answer, strangely IMO, is MS63. I had it pegged at MS65.
     
    C-B-D, Aug 18, 2019
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  6. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Do you have any other photos than the PCGS Truview? @ToughCOINS read the photo correctly and guessed to correct grade. For those of us with less experience with seated coinage, maybe more realistic photos will help our grading skills with this series.
     
    Lehigh96, Aug 18, 2019
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I don't right now. Will have it in hand Monday.
     
    C-B-D, Aug 18, 2019
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  8. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Doesn't have enough bag marks for 63.
    Weak strike aside, a 65 would probably show LIBERTY better on the shield.
    Is the verdigris at 7 and 12 o'clock the result of an old dipping and retoning?
     
    Michael K, Aug 18, 2019
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  9. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    The only way that coin could be any less than 65 is if the TruView is totally a “beauty contest” photo, where the direct lighting washes out imperfections that do exist on the coin. I was more in the 66 range, but could accept 65, based on that TruView. Other photos are necessary to properly grade that coin, as no way that the PCGS picture of it represents MS 63.
     
    Morgandude11, Aug 18, 2019
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  10. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    My thoughts exactly.
     
    Lehigh96, Aug 18, 2019
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  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I don't disagree with your assessment that the TruView photos often conceal meaningful flaws. The goal of a photographer should always be to depict the coin as realistically as possible. Unfortunately, they only get one shot of each side to do so, and there are an infinite number of perspectives from which to examine a coin.

    In PCGS' defense, I think they do pretty well compared to some others, but no one is perfect. Missing distractions on a coin, or even secondary positive attributes is often a by-product of capturing the coin's most important attributes adequately.

    As concerns being able to read photos that de-emphasize certain features, whether intentionally or not, that is a learned process, and takes a lot of time. I'm still frequently surprised by what I missed when a coin purchased from photos arrives in the mail. Those lessons accumulate and build one's knowledge base . . . much of it undocumented, and retained as experience-based intuition.
     
    ToughCOINS, Aug 18, 2019
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  12. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member


    Not seeing a 63 at all
     
    BigTee44, Aug 18, 2019
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  13. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I’m in full agreement. I saw a few small marks on the shield and the left obverse field but nothing else and I’m very familiar with grading these. I just wonder what the pic is hiding
     
    Mainebill, Aug 18, 2019
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  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    When @ToughCOINS made his comment about being dipped, I looked at the TVs again and agreed with his assessment. But still not seeing 63
     
    TypeCoin971793, Aug 18, 2019
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