GTG 1881 S Morgan

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  1. BlackberryPie

    BlackberryPie Non-Dysfunctional

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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

  4. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    MS 65

    ...the toning and the light make it a bit hard to see the fields and cheek...it may even be a 66 if it’s a newer holder
     
  5. Bman33

    Bman33 Well-Known Member

  6. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

  8. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

  9. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

  10. ron_c

    ron_c Well-Known Member

    Hard to tell with the toning but I'll go with furham, 65+. Not quite good enough for a 66.
     
  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member Supporter

    I'm at a high end 64 with a shot at 65.
     
  12. The stuff on the cheek look like luster abrasions rather than contact marks, and the thing above the eagle’s head looks like a strikethrough. MS-65
     
  13. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Did someone say Morgan Dollars?

  14. BlackberryPie

    BlackberryPie Non-Dysfunctional

  15. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I'm not surprised.

    Whenever I see massive fingerprints in prime focal areas, such as on this coin, I reflexively deduct a grade because I find them significantly unattractive. Many others are not bothered by them, however. 65 is a fair grade.
     
  16. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member Supporter

    I have a very difficult time with fingerprints as well. Large ones will make me pass on a coin no matter how attractive the toning or anything else, they are just FAR too distracting to my eye.
     
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  17. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    How can a coin be “mint state” with finger prints on it. I’d grade it UNC details.
     
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  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member Supporter

    Because it still has all of the original mint luster. Believe it or not just touching a coin does not take it out of "Mint State". A coin can even enter circulation for a brief period and still be "Mint State". It all comes down to wear or lack thereof.
     
  19. Yet coins with clear wear (some of the high point lister is impaired) are also graded Mint State...
     
  20. RittenhouseCU

    RittenhouseCU Member

    Impaired luster does not make a coin circ. The luster needs to be completely worn off to the base metal. However, coins like that are in UNC slabs.

    And, that's because the TPG's are not grading coins, they are "worthing" them. Thus, a "grade" of MS65 does not mean the coin is in that state of preservation, but rather that the TPG graders feel it is worth 65 money. They are appraising coins , not grading them. That's what "market grading" is.

    BTW, that appraisal can go up and down depending on market conditions. I think most of the stuff graded in the ridiculous market of 2000 - 2008 is overvalued by at least a full point and in many cases two or more.

    I am constantly amazed at how many collectors do not understand this.
     
  21. The luster is indeed worn completely off the high points. Regardless of what you want to believe, that is still impaired luster
     
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