GTG 1880-S Morgan $

No doubt that if re-submitted, would go up a grade, and add PL

 

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Look at it this way, you would have been charged more if graded higher. Always, Always, buy the coin, not the holder.

 

Ypure pictures are quite clear, the multitude of minor ticks on the eye, upper & lower cheek, behind the mouth & the one on the neck while light prevented 65. Would I be surprised to see it in 65, no. It is a high end 64. Especially knowing that 80s is a date that is heavily srutinized for 65 & above. Not trying to rain on your parade paddy.

 

I have no plans to break it out and have it re graded.
Again since the age of 7 I've been collecting coins long before TPG'S were even a thought . I don't need a slab to tell me what a coin grades. I don't need a sticker to tell me if a coin is correctly graded. As long as I have my eyes and years of experience none of the above truly matters.

 

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The new photos quite clearly show the fields aren't mirrored. It is a PQ coin though with nice original skin. Fyi, today's standards for PL are the most stringent they've ever been BTW. TPGS aren't even giving them to mirrored fields due to polishing currently. Only fresh dies. I think its crazy personally and hope they drop that standard

 

You're not .... as your are incorrect . ....you are making a judgment on a image ,not what is in your hand. And again I do believe I've been collecting a tad bit longer back in the days we didn't need a TPG or a sticker to tell us if we were right or wrong.

 

Okey dokey. I guess I'll just leave it at nice coin then

 

Thanks it's greatly appreciated

 

Nice catch Paddy. I consider myself an old school conservative grader as well and I had it as MS65 and possibly PL. There are some diamonds out there and you just scored one.

 

I still say it's DM Paddy.

 

Here's where I'm at on this coin. @Cascade
it's not a matter of who's right and who's wrong , we both come from different schools of thought on collecting coins. Mine is old school, no TPG,no stickers, coin club meetings , trading coins with other childhood friends, OR At Scout meetings. You sat down and talked about a specimen each giving their view sometimes you agreed sometimes you didn't you horse traded coins between the two of you. Now remember this was the early 60's so at that time you could find keys coins in your pocket change.
Heck I had a paper route every house paid me in silver certificates , red seals notes, and of course silver coins, even Liberty and buffalo nickels.
Cascade comes from a different time where his view is a more modern one based on where the hobby was in time when he began collecting. TPG, Stickers are all a part of the world he knows as a collector . Over 85% of my coins are raw 15 % graded. I venture to say that the same percentage are reversed in his collection maybe even more so as the balance between the two.
As we all know grading is subjective we all seen it as we have posted several times about a coin either over or under graded,or a coin that completely off the charts over or under graded.
What I believe has happen with this specimen is this....if you read the story of the hoard the coins were purchased and slowly sold off into the main stream in order to not flood the market.
However no matter how fast or slow these were most probably graded in large batches. Again if you read the story they were some of the nicest coins ever found in a hoard. That said I'm sure the grader had their work cut out.
Imagine opening up a 500 to a 1000 bag of silver dollars that all looked as good or better than the one posted.
Where's the curve? Each coin with cart wheel luster all from a bag of 1880 's some of the nicest Morgan's minted strike wise. Can you imagine making the cut of 500-1000 silver dollar gems .
We all have our opinions and are from different schools,of thought . ..... and do I value Cascade opinions yes very much so as well as others here on CT. Having a coin in hand and making a call from an image is two different things . As there's some hits on her nose on this coin yet they don't show as much as the surface scrapes on her cheek. If the coin was tilted in a certain angle some of those lite scrapes almost become invisible another angle they look like she was in a bar fight.
We all bring something to this party and no matter what if we agree or disagree the common thread is we all share a passion! That passion is sharing what we love. And let me assure you when ever passion is apart of anything you will have people who agree and disagree . The thing one needs to understand is respect ,and that it is OK to agree or disagree as long as you respect each others views.

 

One other post I will make about silver dollars is a story of my Grandmother 80 th birthday . I trying to recall if it was 1962 or 63. As she passed in November of 63 the day before Kennedy being killed in Dallas.
The family had a party for her ,at her age she needed nothing ,she lived with us as she was just about totally blind . My father said to the family members that each would give her a silver dollar totaling 80 for her birthday gift.
One may think that's a cheap gift ,one needs to remember that "a dollar" in 1960 had buying power!
My father working at the Federal Reserve brought home 80 some coins. The family members paid him for each coin.
Then gave them to Grandmother one each for a gift. Again she was blind but knew the feel of a big silver coin. And $80 as a birthday gift was pretty nice gift in again 1960's money.
Again this was 1960 so the coins were deposited to my grandmother bank account on Monday morning .
In less than 4 years it would of been a totally different story as yes you could still find silver in change,and silver dollars were still available somewhat however it was the turning point never to be revisited again. I often wonder what the dates were on those 80 cartwheels.