GTG 1866 seated liberty dollar

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  1. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    the most out of this world beautiful seated dollar i have seen. 20200927_103104.jpg 20200927_103127.jpg
     
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  3. Robert Ransom

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  4. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    PR64.

    No CAM, due to the huge lack of frost on the reverse devices and lettering.

    If this were in an NGC slab, the strength of the obverse cameo would make it a prime candidate for a well-deserved Star.
     
  5. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    PR65 and borderline cameo.
     
  6. ldhair

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  7. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . . Supporter

    I'll go PR67CAM
     
  8. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    PRoof 65 DCAM
     
  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

  10. QuintupleSovereign

    QuintupleSovereign Well-Known Member

  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    For everyone guessing CAM or DCAM - the cameo must be full across all devices to earn the designation. CAM is allowed minor breaks, but no widespread areas of brillians. DCAM allows no areas of brilliance on the devices. Take a look at the eagle's leg, wing, head, and motto. That darker area indicates a lack in the frost. Compare the OP's coin to a pair of 1866 dollars graded CAM by PCGS:

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  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Wow, I don't collect US anymore but I would give the seller Pr64 money for it in a heartbeat. I would be somewhere between Pr65* and Pr66*.

    Good point about not complete frosting on the reverse, but the obverse is simply stunning.....
     
  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Take a close look at the obverse right side fields. See all those little marks? You won't find those on a 66, and probably not on a 65. Grading proofs from low quality pictures like these is pretty much impossible, but seeing all those little marks gives me a fairly high confidence that this won't ever be a 66, and probably not a 65. Pics like these could easily hide a whole lot of hairlines and it might even grade lower.
     
  15. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    True, all proofs need to be in hand for grading. Marks on mirrored fields look worst in photos than in hand, yet there can always be surprises. I guess I didn't know if those marks are on the slab or the coin, so was discounting them some.
     
  16. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I think this coin is PR-64 but on a good day the TPGs might call it a 65. I placed the obverse marks in the right field on the coin, not the slab. Similarly, there are a couple of field marks to the upper left of Liberty's shoulder. The obverse is Cameo and I think the obverse is PR-64 CAM. I would call the reverse PR-65 or 66 if not for the very weak strike.
    The reverse is not CAM for the reasons @physics-fan3.14 related. Interestingly, the left inner portion from GOD, the head through the left wing and down through the talons is incompletely struck and pretty significantly so. This is very unusual for late 19th century proofs in general and 1866 Motto proofs are noted to be generally well struck. This coin is the OC-P1 die marriage. The photos are insufficient to identify the reverse PA die lines. However, the second die state removed most of the die lines by polishing.

    Photos of this coin should be sent to Dick Osburn and Brian Cushing, the authors of "Liberty Seated Dollars-A Register of Die Varieties". They also have a website where they upload addenda to their book. I have not checked this coin against the website.
     
  17. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I posted my previous message from my phone while resting after mowing the lawn (don't ask me why I was mowing instead of doing coin stuff). Anyway, here's the link to the Osburn/Cushing web book:

    http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/index.shtml

    There are no addenda in the web book on the 1866.

    Also, Dick and Brian published their emails in their book and on their website home page and invited people to correspond regarding Liberty Seated Dollars. I would encourage the OP to send them photos and ask for their opinions. Alternatively, with the OP's permission, I would be happy to do that.

    BTW, I don't want to sound critical of the coin - it is very pretty indeed and the obverse cameo is quite arresting.
     
  18. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    I agree - the obverse cameo is among the best I've seen (at least, it appears that way in these pictures).
     
  19. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    I've been under the assumption that the lighting is playing tricks on viewers of this coin, and remain of that opinion until the OP weighs in with better photos or tells us that the contrast is indeed non-uniform.
     
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  20. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Can't take extra pictures its not my coin.
     
  21. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Spirityoda is the closest on the grade but not quite spot on.
     
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