Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by potty dollar 1878, Sep 27, 2020.
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No CAM, due to the huge lack of frost on the reverse devices and lettering.
If this were in an NGC slab, the strength of the obverse cameo would make it a prime candidate for a well-deserved Star.
Wow, I don't collect US anymore but I would give the seller Pr64 money for it in a heartbeat. I would be somewhere between Pr65* and Pr66*.
Good point about not complete frosting on the reverse, but the obverse is simply stunning.....
Take a close look at the obverse right side fields. See all those little marks? You won't find those on a 66, and probably not on a 65. Grading proofs from low quality pictures like these is pretty much impossible, but seeing all those little marks gives me a fairly high confidence that this won't ever be a 66, and probably not a 65. Pics like these could easily hide a whole lot of hairlines and it might even grade lower.
True, all proofs need to be in hand for grading. Marks on mirrored fields look worst in photos than in hand, yet there can always be surprises. I guess I didn't know if those marks are on the slab or the coin, so was discounting them some.
The reverse is not CAM for the reasons @physics-fan3.14 related. Interestingly, the left inner portion from GOD, the head through the left wing and down through the talons is incompletely struck and pretty significantly so. This is very unusual for late 19th century proofs in general and 1866 Motto proofs are noted to be generally well struck. This coin is the OC-P1 die marriage. The photos are insufficient to identify the reverse PA die lines. However, the second die state removed most of the die lines by polishing.
Photos of this coin should be sent to Dick Osburn and Brian Cushing, the authors of "Liberty Seated Dollars-A Register of Die Varieties". They also have a website where they upload addenda to their book. I have not checked this coin against the website.
There are no addenda in the web book on the 1866.
Also, Dick and Brian published their emails in their book and on their website home page and invited people to correspond regarding Liberty Seated Dollars. I would encourage the OP to send them photos and ask for their opinions. Alternatively, with the OP's permission, I would be happy to do that.
BTW, I don't want to sound critical of the coin - it is very pretty indeed and the obverse cameo is quite arresting.
I agree - the obverse cameo is among the best I've seen (at least, it appears that way in these pictures).
I've been under the assumption that the lighting is playing tricks on viewers of this coin, and remain of that opinion until the OP weighs in with better photos or tells us that the contrast is indeed non-uniform.
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