GTG 1864 Copper-Nickel Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by johnmilton, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    This Corona Virus lock-down, which seems to be and in fact might be endless is getting to me and my wife. Her patience is at an end, especially with respect to her 91 old father who is having memory and health issues. She is his main advocate and yet the lock down makes her job 10 times harder. On a recent trip the hospital, they managed to lose all of his clothes and his expensive hearing aids. :hungover: She's unhappy; I'm unhappy. So to get my mind off of this manure, it's time for a diverstion.

    Guess the grade on this 1864 copper-nickel cent. The mint made these coins early in the year before the decision was made to change the weight and composition of the cent to something simlar to the Civil War tokens.

    Here are the unflattering "dead on" shots of this coin.

    1864 CN O.jpg 1864 CN R.jpg

    And here are the angle shots, which show the luster and more of the color.

    1864 CN Color O.jpg 1864 CN Color R.jpg

    So what would you grade it?
    spirityoda likes this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest

    to hide this ad.
  3. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

  4. Publius2

    Publius2 Well-Known Member

    I think it's a 65 and well struck for a Cu-Ni. Full feathers and very close to full diamonds with only a couple of small ticks noticeable. Nice die crack on reverse between K9 & K10.

    JCKTJK Active Member

  6. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

  8. ddddd

    ddddd Member

  9. Malleus Maleficarum

    Malleus Maleficarum Active Member

  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    I'll go 66
  11. LRC-Tom

    LRC-Tom Been around the block...

    Looks 66 to me.
  12. kSigSteve

    kSigSteve Active Member

    Definitely don’t see it being below gem. I’ll go 66.
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

  15. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Time for the reveal ...

    1864 CN Whole.jpg

    This is one of those unusual "duel endorsement" coins where Eagle Eye and CAC both had a look at it and liked it. It has mulitcolored toning which is very attractive from certain angles. I paid a premium for this coin which, at the time was Grey Sheet "Bid" for a CAC approved example of this coin.

    BTW, these copper-nickel cents do not get a color grade. There is no "Red," "R&B" or "Brown" designation. These coins started life as white colored pieces, like the modern nickel. Here is an example of a copper-nickel cent with most of its original color. If these coins were get a color designation, it would start with "White." This coin is also an MS-64, but it does not have any fancy stickers.

    1863 Cent O.jpg 1863 Cent R.jpg
    Pickin and Grinin and ddddd like this.
  17. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    You’ve got me talking to myself, now. I’m not understanding why that’s not in gem.
  18. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    In the old days this coin would have probably been cracked out and sent in for another round of grading. Today CAC is the new crack-out for some people. A gold CAC sticker can be better better that an extra point on the MS scale. Some collectors hang on every sticker CAC stalls.
  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That coin is definitely a gem. I did not get a chance, but it is 65 all day long. Beautiful coin! The CACis vindication.
  20. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Gem in the market today, if this is any indication of what has been a steady loosening of the system I don't know what is.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page