GTG - 1861-S Quarter

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by ToughCOINS, Aug 27, 2019.

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What do you grade this?

  1. VF25

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%

  2. VF30

    5 vote(s)
    17.2%

  3. VF35

    9 vote(s)
    31.0%

  4. XF40

    10 vote(s)
    34.5%

  5. XF45

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%

  6. Details

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
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  1. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I'm at 35 on this one, I think it just misses 40.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Aug 28, 2019
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  3. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    35
     
    atcarroll, Aug 28, 2019
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  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I had to go 40.
     
    Collecting Nut, Aug 28, 2019
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    0.25-1861-s-5.jpg
     
    ToughCOINS, Aug 28, 2019
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  6. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    C-B-D, Aug 28, 2019
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  7. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Wow. I mean, nice coin, but I think 45 is overstating it. I was somewhat tempted to say 40, but I couldn’t talk myself into it. Is there some strike weaknesses or something that isn’t coming through in the images?

    The vote was weird, too: nearly even split between 30 and 35, but with a slight edge for 40. Nobody said 45. Odd.
     
    Paul M., Aug 28, 2019
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I had it pegged at a solid 35 but was hoping for a 40 when I submitted it.

    All that I can think of is that they may have pushed the grade for the its obvious collector appeal.

    I got hurt on a few coins in this submission, so this coin makes up for those.
     
    ToughCOINS, Aug 28, 2019
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  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I was hoping they'd credit it with a 40, recognizing the fullness of the hair & clasp and separation of the denticles from the rim. The stars and feathers were obviously not well impressed, but the denticles tell the whole story about how much the coin really circulated.

    45? They must see / know something I don't.
     
    ToughCOINS, Aug 28, 2019
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  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, anyway.
     
    C-B-D, Aug 28, 2019
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  11. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Wow. No way.

    They got this one wrong.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Aug 29, 2019
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  12. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    The TPGs are always good for a surprise.
     
    Santinidollar, Aug 29, 2019
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  13. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    I've heard that at least "3" professional coin graders agreed on this grade. :D
     
    Johndoe2000$, Aug 29, 2019
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  14. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Have you ever known 3 people to be wrong at the same time?

    Just because 3 of them agreed to the wrong answer doesn't make them right.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Aug 29, 2019
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  15. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Not intended to offend you, but you are arguing that your grade from pics, is more accurate than 3 paid professional grader's, from one of the most trusted TPGS, that reviewed the coin in hand? In the ever changing market, they set the grading standards, like it or not.
     
    Johndoe2000$, Aug 29, 2019
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  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    ToughCOINS, Aug 29, 2019
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  17. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    To be fair, NGC doesn't publish their standards. However, compare this so-called "XF-45" to the pictures on the PCGS photograde site: https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/Seated25/Grades You could also compare to the ANA grading guide, but that's not online (spoiler: this coin is nowhere near 45 according to that guide either)

    This coin has zero luster evident, and has a considerable amount of wear. Honestly, using Photograde as a guide, I'd actually say this coin is more accurately VF-30.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Aug 29, 2019
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  18. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    I admit to not knowing this type at all, and I agree that it should be VF, or maybe XF40 at best, but this non-standard grading is the new standard. How else would they get dealers, and others to keep submitting their coins again, and again hoping for better grades. More Money for them is the reason obviously.
     
    Johndoe2000$, Aug 29, 2019
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  19. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Resubmit for "hen peck" variety attribution?
     
    C-B-D, Aug 29, 2019
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  20. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Ouch...I deserve that. But I'm watching you now. :mad: ;)
     
    Johndoe2000$, Aug 29, 2019
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  21. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Checkout the example that @messydesk posted, no hole, and that's not a XF45. :D
     
    Johndoe2000$, Aug 29, 2019
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