GTG - 1840 and 1864-S Half Dimes

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  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter** Supporter

    These two are exceedingly difficult to photograph through the plastic, so please bear with me.

    How would you grade them based on the pictures?

    Thanks!

    Half Dime 1840 With Drapery OBV1 N - 1.jpg Half Dime 1840 With Drapery OBV2 N - 1.jpg Half Dime 1840 With Drapery REV1 N - 1.jpg 1864 S half dime obv5 n - 1.jpg 1864 S Half Dime REV3 n - 1.jpg
     
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  3. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    1840 AU62

    1864S AU53
     
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  4. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    AU62?
     
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Yep, It seems to have slight amounts of wear. But it resides in a MS holder.:rolleyes:
     
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  6. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member Supporter

    I'm trying to read the images here.

    I'm at AU-53 on the 1840

    AU-50 on the 1864-S
     
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  7. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    AU55 on both.
     
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  8. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

  9. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder

    1840-au50?
    1864s- au55? (looks like a rust pitted obv die)
     
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  10. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht / Longacre Enthusiast

    55 on the 40 and 53 on the 64-S.

    Seeing 1864-S in the title made me excited. A genuinely tough coin that most don’t even realize is tough.

    They are not too hard to find if you want a damaged, cleaned, soldered, or otherwise mutilated piece and don’t mind overpaying. Try finding a problem free example at anything close to a reasonable price and you’ll see just how hard it is. The price guide values are completely wrong - far too low.

    Obverse looks interesting on it as well.
     
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  11. Hookman

    Hookman Active Member

    MS 62 on the top one

    AU 54 on the bottom

    I don't like the tarnish on either one, but the detail is nice, especially on the top one.
     
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    AU55 on the 1840 . . . a wonderful coin.

    I can't tell you exactly why . . . it may only be the obverse photo, but my instincts tell me the 1864-S is a details coin. I'd need to see that coin in person.
     
  13. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I agree with JTLEE's guess. But must say the 64s is boaderline Au-50
     
  14. Magnus87

    Magnus87 Member

    1840 looks like some flavor of UNC: MS-62, 3 or 4. The ‘64 looks to have v. light wear, consistent with AU-55. Tough to say, though, when viewed through 2 intervening filters (plastic + screen). Whatever the case, they speak well of Eduard’s usual impeccable taste. Once again, I’m jealous.
     
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  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    First one is somewhere between 55-62.

    Second maybe AU50?

    Beautiful coins :)
     
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  17. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    1845 H-10 -002 obv..jpg 1845 h-10-002 rev..jpg Here's an1845 MS- 62 to use as a guide. Will post my take on both h -10's shortly
     
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  18. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Active Member

  19. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    These little gems were kept for the most part in very high sulfur paper albums.
    The toning on most is just about terminal, the more you search these the more you'll find have been cleaned or dipped. .
    Look at my ms 62 the tone isn't pleasing but there is some luster but the reverse is horrible. Nothing eye appealing at all but a nice example of a 45 rpm 002.
    1845/15 retail in MS 63 is $400.
    The op's 1840 is by my eye a MS- 60. I can understand many thinking it is Au. But no it is a mint state half dime....true border line but never the less it passes.
    The 1864 has also had some work done, at first I thought rusted dies, after looking closely it has been cleaned. A better date 90,000 minted, was album toned, then it was cleaned ,and then retained. The 1864 only 48,000 minted and only 470 proof strikes for that year. The 64 s is Xf. detail coin. You can definitely see wear and that the coin has been toned ,cleaned,and retoned, it lacks any luster....not orginial skin. For the 1864 s there's no varieties known.
    As a half dime collector I can assure you if you try and target specimens in Xf. or better grades...you'll find that #1 You will need deep pockets,and good sources of inventory, or #2 you'll settle for lower grade specimens....as I have!
    The 1838 h 10's are well known for several corroded dies used. This dies were terminal and I have no references as them being used or could of been repurposed in later years.
     
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  20. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Member

    1840 AU 58
    1864S AU 50
     
  21. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Variety Collector

    Any half dime struck 1863-1868 are very hard to find peroid! In any condition ....
    The mintages from 1863-1868 total mintage for 5 years is 185,000 strikes from Philly, there of course none from New Orleans, and San Francisco 850,000 for the 5 years,and only 3,380 proofs for the same peroid. So in those 5 years only 1,038,380.00
    Half dimes were struck ,in 1839 there were 1,069,150 struck alone in Philadelphia!
    Even at large shows like Whitman in Baltimore half dimes in general are hard to find..true years of over a million minted can be found but in conditions above xf. Are few to none, add a mint mark slimmer, and key dates,are next to impossible.
    Dates in the mid 1850's yes you do run across some in better grades ,as for others no. I know 30 dealers here ,and when ever any one of them come across a half dime I get a call...or called over to their table at a show.
     
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