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<p>[QUOTE="Coinsandmedals, post: 4614985, member: 107435"]<b>My grade:</b> MS-64+</p><p><br /></p><p><b>NGC grade:</b> MS-63</p><p><br /></p><p>Over the last few years, I have submitted somewhere in the vicinity of a couple hundred English and Irish copper pieces to NGC. In the beginning, I tended to be entirely too conservative, often missing the mark by two grade points or so; however, more recently, I have been consistent within a point. I still tend to shy on the conservative side, but that makes for some pleasant surprises when the grades come back from NGC. In part, this pattern is what makes the current coin such an odd exception. I have viewed hundreds of these coins in mint state (both graded and raw) over the years, and more often than not, they are marred with significant contact marks, rim bumps, uneven color, and weak strikes. In my experience, it is easy enough to find an example that excels in one of these areas but usually falls short in others.</p><p><br /></p><p>I took my time to find an example that had minimal contact marks/rim bumps, even color, and a solid strike. This is one of the nicest Twopence pieces that I have come across. There are a handful of minor contact marks on the obverse (e.g., on his throat, in the field in front of his drapery, on the rim between the ”E” and ”X”), none of which are distracting on a relatively heavy 40mm coin. The color and strike are sublime for the series, and except for an insignificant rim bump at 7 o’clock, the edges are smooth as can be. Looking over the NGC census, the average uncirculated grade for this series is MS-63 (41 in this grade), but in my opinion, there isn’t anything ordinary about this particular example. I think this coin would be a premium example in a 64 holder (23 in this grade), and I thought it had a strong chance at a 65 (only 3 with none higher). For those of you interested, here are a few NGC graded examples that sold recently at Heritage.</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>MS-63 BN</b></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/231830-64216.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/231830-64216.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/231830-64216.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/3053-36847.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/3053-36847.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/3053-36847.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>MS-64 BN</b></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3072-36575.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515#" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3072-36575.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515#" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3072-36575.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515# </a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3067-31650.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3067-31650.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3067-31650.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>MS-65 BN</b></p><p><a href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms65-brown-ngc-/a/3051-32187.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms65-brown-ngc-/a/3051-32187.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515" rel="nofollow">https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms65-brown-ngc-/a/3051-32187.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I may not agree with NGC’s assessment, but the fact the coin is encapsulated and protected for future enjoyment is far more important to me then the number on the label.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Coinsandmedals, post: 4614985, member: 107435"][B]My grade:[/B] MS-64+ [B]NGC grade:[/B] MS-63 Over the last few years, I have submitted somewhere in the vicinity of a couple hundred English and Irish copper pieces to NGC. In the beginning, I tended to be entirely too conservative, often missing the mark by two grade points or so; however, more recently, I have been consistent within a point. I still tend to shy on the conservative side, but that makes for some pleasant surprises when the grades come back from NGC. In part, this pattern is what makes the current coin such an odd exception. I have viewed hundreds of these coins in mint state (both graded and raw) over the years, and more often than not, they are marred with significant contact marks, rim bumps, uneven color, and weak strikes. In my experience, it is easy enough to find an example that excels in one of these areas but usually falls short in others. I took my time to find an example that had minimal contact marks/rim bumps, even color, and a solid strike. This is one of the nicest Twopence pieces that I have come across. There are a handful of minor contact marks on the obverse (e.g., on his throat, in the field in front of his drapery, on the rim between the ”E” and ”X”), none of which are distracting on a relatively heavy 40mm coin. The color and strike are sublime for the series, and except for an insignificant rim bump at 7 o’clock, the edges are smooth as can be. Looking over the NGC census, the average uncirculated grade for this series is MS-63 (41 in this grade), but in my opinion, there isn’t anything ordinary about this particular example. I think this coin would be a premium example in a 64 holder (23 in this grade), and I thought it had a strong chance at a 65 (only 3 with none higher). For those of you interested, here are a few NGC graded examples that sold recently at Heritage. [B] MS-63 BN[/B] [URL]https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/231830-64216.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515[/URL] [URL]https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-2-pence-1797-soho-ms63-brown-ngc-/a/3053-36847.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515[/URL] [B]MS-64 BN[/B] [URL='https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3072-36575.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515#']https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3072-36575.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515# [/URL] [URL]https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-ms64-brown-ngc-/a/3067-31650.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515[/URL] [B]MS-65 BN[/B] [URL]https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-george-iii-cartwheel-2-pence-1797-soho-ms65-brown-ngc-/a/3051-32187.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515[/URL] I may not agree with NGC’s assessment, but the fact the coin is encapsulated and protected for future enjoyment is far more important to me then the number on the label.[/QUOTE]
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