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Sean, the two bright patches (over the thin parallel roller marks) are scrapes. detracting enough that it could have also graded 64 w/o the +. The reverse of Morgan $ is not too important. It rarely raises grade but more often it can lower it.

 

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Again, I disagree. I think the 81 is graded accurately. The prime focal area is Liberty's face and the left field in front of the face. The mark at about 4 o'clock in the field would not have as much effect on the grade. While the reverse is gorgeous, it shouldn't raise the grade much. If anything, it might have received a star (*) for exceptional eye appeal.

Chris

 

I probably got lucky. Here is one more pic of those marks. They really don't look like scrapes that I'm used to. They look like planchet marks, or something that was left in the die. But I'm probably wrong.

 

So we both agree on the grade?

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHH. I am 100% wrong and should be banned. Am I wrong! The enlarged image shows thin roller marks and two planchet flaws that I called scrapes. GIMMIE SOME HUMBLE PIE or a BIG FOOT!

 

The dark marks are contact and the thin raised line along the throat is die polish. Neat coin, a little of everything. I wish it were mine.

 

That's what I think they are. It is entirely possible I also got lucky. I think the fields are cleaner than a typical 64, so maybe that boosted it. It is interesting that planchet marks don't detract from a grade, even though every instinct screams it should.

 

Yes!

Chris

 

What are your thoughts on this one? What grade would it top out at?

 

I think 64.

 

I think you did extremely well. The coins are quite attractive, and graded much as expected.

 

Thanks man

 

They were very tight on the PL designation-- thought the coin had a chance at it, but those designations are getting harder and harder. The 65+ kind of made up for it--- all in all, no great shocks. I think NGC has been much more accurate as of recent-- especially on Morgans. Still wrestling with the one that came back cleaned. I thought there was a chance it would be body bagged for excessive surface damage/ bag marks, but cleaning? I have seen a few cleaned GSAs, but it is uncommon. Got to attribute it to mishandling-- maybe a GSA employee thought it was dirty, and rubbed it with a shirt sleeve. That one is a mystery.

 

Yeah the PL one was on me. The seller's photos were very misleading and when I got it in hand I knew it wasn't. I still don't get the 78. My thinking is that it just didn't look right and they didn't want to put a ribbon on it. But the whole process is fun (and sometimes costly), but it only makes me better, and I could get a lot better.

By the way, why does NGC charge more to grade a GSA when there isn't even a holder they have to produce?

 

Amen.

The '85-CC is a headscratcher. It's VAM-3 with the tilted mint mark, and the scratch visible here in the cheek detail (along the curve where cheek and neck meet) certainly looks to be also visible on the VAMworld plate coin, which is a rather later die cracked example:

http://www.vamworld.com/1885-CC VAM-3

Somebody double-check that for me, please. It's an ideal pickup which needs to be on the VAMworld page if confirmed.

The "scratches" on the cheek leave me wondering, as they have the same dull appearance as the planchet striations (which appear remarkably deep in the detail pic). If these were postmint gouges, I would expect them to strongly reflect the direct lighting. They don't.

 

Wow, you're good Dave. It definitely has all the attributes from VAMworld. I wish the TPGs would designate more than just the top 100. But I guess it would get out of hand. There's actually a lot of die lines on the cheek.

 

What are your thoughts on this one? What grade would it top out at?
TPGS: MS-64 JUST, weak hair over ear and planchet flaw jaw. If were not for a blazing CC $ luster, only high-end MS-63 which is closer to my personal standards. I would sell it all day as a 64+ and sleep like a baby! Did I weasel around enough for everyone?

 

Is it weird that I like the planchet flaw?

 

By TPGS: MS-64 Just - IMO that is what a professional grader would grade it. Hope others agree as I like to refine my personal standards.

 

Not weird. Very weird; but I like it also. Unfortunately, the coin would be worth more and easier to sell if the detracting flaw was not there.