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<p>[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 346757, member: 12965"]<b>My 2 Cents</b></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Hey Stainless with his job back,</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">I didn't read all of the posts but I did read all the original posts (way down the line somewhere) and I figured I'd get into this puddle of pee (I'll feel right at home).</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Here’s what I understand happened:</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Customer paid you 1 Trade Dollar & 6 cents for a cup of coffee. You kept the Trade Dollar and replaced it with a current dollar and the original 6 cents and placed that into the cash register. My questions are as follows:</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">How much, with tax included, is/was a cup of coffee? Was it the entire $1.06 or did some of the $1.06 include your tip? </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Did the customer pay you at the counter/table where you served him, or at the cash register?</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">If some of the $1.06 included your tip, it's up to you to place the cost of a cup of coffee in the cash register and keep the tip. There is NO law that says you have to place the exact currency that a customer hands you into the cash register, unless it is company policy. Someone mentioned something about company policy earlier, but what they didn't take into account is that is THEIR company policy and not necessarily your company's policy and if there isn't a policy in place covering this situation, you are not guilty of stealing. If you worked for that other person, you would have been guilty of stealing and they would have fired you (or so it sounded). What that person said earlier is common company policy but it isn't a generic cover-all policy. Most policies must be conveyed in order for them to have any foundation, whether written or oral. Written is the best method because if the earlier person doesn't have that policy in writing and all their employees haven't signed off on it and he/she fires someone for violating the verbal policy, they may end up in a labor dispute and unless the verbal policy was video recorded, they will probably lose and have to reinstate the employ with back pay. An example of a cover-all policy that doesn’t have to be conveyed is actually theft of property, whereas you are not guilty of that. If you would have kept the Trade Dollar and not replaced it with a current dollar, then that would have been theft and you could be fired without having a company policy governing theft. </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Now, as a last bit, to finish off this pee’n contest, I’ll pose a question/hypothetical situation to all those who think Stainless is guilty of stealing:</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">What if Stainless had put the trade Dollar in the cash register and then someone used it to provide change for another customer. Would that employ be guilty of giving away/stealing company property? And what about the customer who received the trade Dollar in their change, would they also be guilty of stealing company property?</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">It sounds to me like those who think you are guilty of stealing, are basing it on the fact you knew the difference between a current dollar and the Trade Dollar but if you didn’t know the difference, you wouldn’t be as guilty but still guilty. That’s just like saying you’d be guilty of murder if you killed someone by intentionally pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger but not as guilty if it wasn’t intentional. No matter how you look at it, you are guilty of murder (providing they die). It’s the degree of guilt that’s the difference (first degree murder all the way down to involuntary manslaughter). So, with that philosophy and providing there is no company policy governing this situation, the employee that gave the trade Dollar away as change isn’t guilty of anything but ignorance and you are guilty by reason of intelligence. I find that absurd! But remember folks, this is based on NO COMPANY POLICY. Please read my words carefully before going off half-cocked and getting your knickers into a knot.</span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">What I believe is if your company didn’t have a policy concerning what happened (which I somewhat doubt they did), the Trade Dollar belongs to you and the company needs to give it back to you but if the company did have a policy governing this situation, your firing was justified. However, to demand the coin back now after getting reinstated, would probably not be wise. </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: black">Ribbit,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Toad :smile</span></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">Ps: I once worked as a waiter and the customers would pay us and at the end of the shift, we would turn in the amount owed the company. There was never a company policy governing what happened to Stainless and if someone would have paid me with a Trade Dollar, I would have kept it as a tip and not used it to pay the amount owed the company. I would not have been guilty of stealing, because what was in my possession was my responsibility (belonged to me) until I turned it in, then what I turned in became company property and if I didn’t have enough to cover the checks, I owed the company the difference.</font></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font face="Calibri"><font size="3">Ribbit – Ribbit - Ribbit</font></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="HandsomeToad, post: 346757, member: 12965"][b]My 2 Cents[/b] [COLOR=black]Hey Stainless with his job back,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I didn't read all of the posts but I did read all the original posts (way down the line somewhere) and I figured I'd get into this puddle of pee (I'll feel right at home).[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Here’s what I understand happened:[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Customer paid you 1 Trade Dollar & 6 cents for a cup of coffee. You kept the Trade Dollar and replaced it with a current dollar and the original 6 cents and placed that into the cash register. My questions are as follows:[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]How much, with tax included, is/was a cup of coffee? Was it the entire $1.06 or did some of the $1.06 include your tip? [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Did the customer pay you at the counter/table where you served him, or at the cash register?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]If some of the $1.06 included your tip, it's up to you to place the cost of a cup of coffee in the cash register and keep the tip. There is NO law that says you have to place the exact currency that a customer hands you into the cash register, unless it is company policy. Someone mentioned something about company policy earlier, but what they didn't take into account is that is THEIR company policy and not necessarily your company's policy and if there isn't a policy in place covering this situation, you are not guilty of stealing. If you worked for that other person, you would have been guilty of stealing and they would have fired you (or so it sounded). What that person said earlier is common company policy but it isn't a generic cover-all policy. Most policies must be conveyed in order for them to have any foundation, whether written or oral. Written is the best method because if the earlier person doesn't have that policy in writing and all their employees haven't signed off on it and he/she fires someone for violating the verbal policy, they may end up in a labor dispute and unless the verbal policy was video recorded, they will probably lose and have to reinstate the employ with back pay. An example of a cover-all policy that doesn’t have to be conveyed is actually theft of property, whereas you are not guilty of that. If you would have kept the Trade Dollar and not replaced it with a current dollar, then that would have been theft and you could be fired without having a company policy governing theft. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Now, as a last bit, to finish off this pee’n contest, I’ll pose a question/hypothetical situation to all those who think Stainless is guilty of stealing:[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]What if Stainless had put the trade Dollar in the cash register and then someone used it to provide change for another customer. Would that employ be guilty of giving away/stealing company property? And what about the customer who received the trade Dollar in their change, would they also be guilty of stealing company property?[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]It sounds to me like those who think you are guilty of stealing, are basing it on the fact you knew the difference between a current dollar and the Trade Dollar but if you didn’t know the difference, you wouldn’t be as guilty but still guilty. That’s just like saying you’d be guilty of murder if you killed someone by intentionally pointing a gun at them and pulling the trigger but not as guilty if it wasn’t intentional. No matter how you look at it, you are guilty of murder (providing they die). It’s the degree of guilt that’s the difference (first degree murder all the way down to involuntary manslaughter). So, with that philosophy and providing there is no company policy governing this situation, the employee that gave the trade Dollar away as change isn’t guilty of anything but ignorance and you are guilty by reason of intelligence. I find that absurd! But remember folks, this is based on NO COMPANY POLICY. Please read my words carefully before going off half-cocked and getting your knickers into a knot.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]What I believe is if your company didn’t have a policy concerning what happened (which I somewhat doubt they did), the Trade Dollar belongs to you and the company needs to give it back to you but if the company did have a policy governing this situation, your firing was justified. However, to demand the coin back now after getting reinstated, would probably not be wise. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Ribbit,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Toad :smile[/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Ps: I once worked as a waiter and the customers would pay us and at the end of the shift, we would turn in the amount owed the company. There was never a company policy governing what happened to Stainless and if someone would have paid me with a Trade Dollar, I would have kept it as a tip and not used it to pay the amount owed the company. I would not have been guilty of stealing, because what was in my possession was my responsibility (belonged to me) until I turned it in, then what I turned in became company property and if I didn’t have enough to cover the checks, I owed the company the difference.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Ribbit – Ribbit - Ribbit[/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
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