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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 7929523, member: 105571"]I swore to myself that I would not weigh in on this story but like the comedian Ron White's story of being stopped for drunk driving: "I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability".</p><p><br /></p><p>1) We don't actually know that the Greek coin dealer is a victim. We only know he claims to be a victim. I feel confident the police and the hotel's legal/insurance/investigatory agents are looking closely at the dealer's possible involvement. They will also be looking to determine if the maid was involved since opening the room no doubt violates one or more written hotel policies and procedures. But, since the police and the hotel business are adults, they are capable of holding two thoughts in their head at the same time, so they will also be treating it as a genuine crime where the Greek coin dealer is an innocent victim and the maid is simply stupid/naive/gullible/threatened, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) The maid was probably instantaneously fired for gross violation of company policy unless he/she can demonstrate coercion. It matters not that some people might construe that firing as an admission of the hotel's culpability because it is not. She's fired for egregiously violating company policy. The hotel's liability, if any, remains to be seen. But here's a thought for you: If the hotel can demonstrate that the coin dealer was feckless, careless or negligent in his responsibility to take due care to protect his property, then there is a good chance that the hotel will not have any liability. There is a requirement, sometimes in the law and sometimes in commercial contracting, that due care be taken to protect one's property. Of course, UK law is not US law so I can't say how this case will be handled under UK civil law.</p><p><br /></p><p>3) It is distracting and unhelpful to make the argument that criticizing the dealer's behavior is in some fashion "blaming the victim". This is a common trope nowadays for avoiding personal responsibility. I am reminded of when my college graduate daughter moved home for a few months to get her feet on the ground. She took up the habit of partying downtown until the wee hours. Aside from the disruption to family life which I took her to task for, I also advised her that it was unwise to expose herself to personal attack downtown in the morning hours, which was happening with some frequency. Her response was typically childish: "I have the right to be there and to be safe." </p><p>The dealer was unquestionably foolish and negligent even though it is his right to be so. But that "right" does not shield one from criticism. No reasonable person, especially one in the rare coin business, would have an expectation that a hotel room is a safe environment. And yes, criminals are obviously the most culpable in this crime but that does not absolve the coin dealer of his responsibility to himself and/or his clients/employer to take adult, informed, and prudent due care.</p><p><br /></p><p>And finally, I for one find Mr. cplradar's riding of his hobby horse to be amusing so keep it up, please. I particularly like his "there 'otta be a law" arguments. It's a great distraction from the road rash mint error threads.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 7929523, member: 105571"]I swore to myself that I would not weigh in on this story but like the comedian Ron White's story of being stopped for drunk driving: "I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability". 1) We don't actually know that the Greek coin dealer is a victim. We only know he claims to be a victim. I feel confident the police and the hotel's legal/insurance/investigatory agents are looking closely at the dealer's possible involvement. They will also be looking to determine if the maid was involved since opening the room no doubt violates one or more written hotel policies and procedures. But, since the police and the hotel business are adults, they are capable of holding two thoughts in their head at the same time, so they will also be treating it as a genuine crime where the Greek coin dealer is an innocent victim and the maid is simply stupid/naive/gullible/threatened, etc. 2) The maid was probably instantaneously fired for gross violation of company policy unless he/she can demonstrate coercion. It matters not that some people might construe that firing as an admission of the hotel's culpability because it is not. She's fired for egregiously violating company policy. The hotel's liability, if any, remains to be seen. But here's a thought for you: If the hotel can demonstrate that the coin dealer was feckless, careless or negligent in his responsibility to take due care to protect his property, then there is a good chance that the hotel will not have any liability. There is a requirement, sometimes in the law and sometimes in commercial contracting, that due care be taken to protect one's property. Of course, UK law is not US law so I can't say how this case will be handled under UK civil law. 3) It is distracting and unhelpful to make the argument that criticizing the dealer's behavior is in some fashion "blaming the victim". This is a common trope nowadays for avoiding personal responsibility. I am reminded of when my college graduate daughter moved home for a few months to get her feet on the ground. She took up the habit of partying downtown until the wee hours. Aside from the disruption to family life which I took her to task for, I also advised her that it was unwise to expose herself to personal attack downtown in the morning hours, which was happening with some frequency. Her response was typically childish: "I have the right to be there and to be safe." The dealer was unquestionably foolish and negligent even though it is his right to be so. But that "right" does not shield one from criticism. No reasonable person, especially one in the rare coin business, would have an expectation that a hotel room is a safe environment. And yes, criminals are obviously the most culpable in this crime but that does not absolve the coin dealer of his responsibility to himself and/or his clients/employer to take adult, informed, and prudent due care. And finally, I for one find Mr. cplradar's riding of his hobby horse to be amusing so keep it up, please. I particularly like his "there 'otta be a law" arguments. It's a great distraction from the road rash mint error threads.[/QUOTE]
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