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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 771937, member: 15309"]I don't know what I wrote that would give you the impression that I was insulted. On the contrary, I was stoked that I got a chance to talk about one of my favorite collections. And yes, they are gorgeous. If you are considering purchasing rainbow toned coins, you need to understand that there is not safety net in the form of a price guide. The coins sell for significant premiums and you must have a thick skin to deal with all of the collectors who will call you a fool and predict impending doom for the toned coin market.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>EOR</b> stands for <b>E</b>nd <b>O</b>f <b>R</b>oll toned. Answering your last question is very difficult and strikes at the heart of the toned coin market. An NGC MS64* coin can be much more expensive than an NGC MS65. The star designation indicated that the coin has exceptional eye appeal for the assigned grade and does not indicate PQ (Premium Quality). In fact, I have seen many star coins that were low end for the grade and were market graded examples due to the toning. However, the toning and eye appeal can drive a significant premium, often multiples of wholesale, and sometimes more than the price of the next highest grade. Lets use these Great Falls Morgans as examples. The first coin is an 1881-S MS64*.</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: Blue">1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS64* Great Falls Collection: $700</span></font></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS64StarGre-1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The coin has phenomenal bright toning with incredible luster and semi-prooflike surfaces. If not for the marks in the left obverse field in front of the neck and on Liberty's chin, this coin would have reached gem status. As it is, it is an MS64* that drives a premium of almost 15X wholesale. Now lets look at an MS65 Great Falls Morgan.</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: Blue">1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS65 Great Falls Collection: $100</span></font></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS65GreatFalls.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I actually paid less than wholesale for this coin. It is a low end MS65 to be sure with a significant number of surface marks and a reverse patina that slightly mutes the luster. The problem is that this coin is very common in MS65 with a population of 87465/29541. Without the incredible toning of the first coin to separate it from the pack, it becomes as common as an MS69 ASE. It is important to recognize how eye appeal/toning can affect the price of a coin. However, you should be careful when making the distinction using something as arbitrary as the star designation. After all, not all star coins are created equal. Take a look at this 1881-S MS64*.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><span style="color: Blue">1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS64* Great Falls Collection: $125</span></font></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS64StarGre-2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>With a price tag at exactly MS65 wholesale, I overpaid just a little because of the pedigree. The toning on the coin is very attractive but any premium over 2X wholesale is really pressing it. Please compare the difference between this coin and the MS64* that sells for 15X wholesale. Notice the extreme difference in luster, color, and overall eye appeal. The moral of the story is that each and every toned coin must be evaluated and priced based on the merit of it's eye appeal. More important is to recognize that the result of this evaluation will be different for every collector.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 771937, member: 15309"]I don't know what I wrote that would give you the impression that I was insulted. On the contrary, I was stoked that I got a chance to talk about one of my favorite collections. And yes, they are gorgeous. If you are considering purchasing rainbow toned coins, you need to understand that there is not safety net in the form of a price guide. The coins sell for significant premiums and you must have a thick skin to deal with all of the collectors who will call you a fool and predict impending doom for the toned coin market. [B]EOR[/B] stands for [B]E[/B]nd [B]O[/B]f [B]R[/B]oll toned. Answering your last question is very difficult and strikes at the heart of the toned coin market. An NGC MS64* coin can be much more expensive than an NGC MS65. The star designation indicated that the coin has exceptional eye appeal for the assigned grade and does not indicate PQ (Premium Quality). In fact, I have seen many star coins that were low end for the grade and were market graded examples due to the toning. However, the toning and eye appeal can drive a significant premium, often multiples of wholesale, and sometimes more than the price of the next highest grade. Lets use these Great Falls Morgans as examples. The first coin is an 1881-S MS64*. [SIZE=4][COLOR=Blue]1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS64* Great Falls Collection: $700[/COLOR][/SIZE] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS64StarGre-1.jpg[/IMG] The coin has phenomenal bright toning with incredible luster and semi-prooflike surfaces. If not for the marks in the left obverse field in front of the neck and on Liberty's chin, this coin would have reached gem status. As it is, it is an MS64* that drives a premium of almost 15X wholesale. Now lets look at an MS65 Great Falls Morgan. [SIZE=4][COLOR=Blue]1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS65 Great Falls Collection: $100[/COLOR][/SIZE] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS65GreatFalls.jpg[/IMG] I actually paid less than wholesale for this coin. It is a low end MS65 to be sure with a significant number of surface marks and a reverse patina that slightly mutes the luster. The problem is that this coin is very common in MS65 with a population of 87465/29541. Without the incredible toning of the first coin to separate it from the pack, it becomes as common as an MS69 ASE. It is important to recognize how eye appeal/toning can affect the price of a coin. However, you should be careful when making the distinction using something as arbitrary as the star designation. After all, not all star coins are created equal. Take a look at this 1881-S MS64*. [SIZE=4][COLOR=Blue]1881-S Morgan Dollar NGC MS64* Great Falls Collection: $125[/COLOR][/SIZE] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Morgan%20Dollars/Morgan%20Dollar%20Great%20Falls%20Collection/MorganDollar1881-SNGCMS64StarGre-2.jpg[/IMG] With a price tag at exactly MS65 wholesale, I overpaid just a little because of the pedigree. The toning on the coin is very attractive but any premium over 2X wholesale is really pressing it. Please compare the difference between this coin and the MS64* that sells for 15X wholesale. Notice the extreme difference in luster, color, and overall eye appeal. The moral of the story is that each and every toned coin must be evaluated and priced based on the merit of it's eye appeal. More important is to recognize that the result of this evaluation will be different for every collector.:D[/QUOTE]
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