Grail coin acquired!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Now this is a hard coin to find on the market. I have seen one other sell in the last 4-5 years. This reverse also exists for Vespasian and is also rare, but the Titus is rarer than the Vespasian counterpart.

    This coin is part of the agrarian reverse series of the denarii struck under Vespasian. I would love to find the Vespasian next but that might take me a couple of years.

    These 2 coins are the only instances of this reverse on Flavian denarii. Please post your examples of rare reverse types or goats.

    Titus, as Caesar (AD 79-81). AR denarius. Rome. 77-78 CE
    (19mm, 3.09 gm, 7h).
    Obv: laureate head of Titus right ;T CAESAR VESPASIANVS
    Rev: Goatherder seated left on rocks, milking goat over vessel; IMP XIII,
    RIC 985 (Vespasian).
    Ex: Heritage Auctions 2021 January 20-21 Wednesday & Thursday World & Ancient Coins Weekly Online Auction #232103 / Lot #63167

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  3. Spargrodan

    Spargrodan Well-Known Member

    Congratz Orfew! That's an awesome add and one I have been looking for and very much would like to add to my own collection. I have never seen any though as you say it's a rare one but it's indeed an interesting and wonderful reverse.
  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    Awesome acquisition! The 'archaic' reverse type is unique to the Flavian period and probably one of the more mysterious and fascinating ones struck for the denarius. I love the pastoral scene it evokes.

    Here are mine.

    V977.jpg Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.19g
    Rome mint, 77-78 AD
    Obv: CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: IMP XIX in exergue; Goatherd std. l., milking goat l.
    RIC 977 (R). BMC 220. RSC 220. BNC 193.
    Acquired from Ancient Delights, August 2012.

    Titus as Caesar [Vespasian]
    AR Denarius, 3.53g
    Rome Mint, 77-78 AD
    Obv: T CAESAR VESPASIANVS; Head of Titus, laureate, bearded, r.
    Rev: IMP XIII in exergue; Goatherd std. l., milking goat l.
    RIC 985 (R). BMC 230. RSC 103. BNC 204.
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2021
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Congrats on the acquisition! That's such a neat reverse. It also makes me so glad I'm not a goat!
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    What an interesting reverse type, @Orfew! Reminds me of ...

  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Great Goat, @Orfew ! Would enjoy having that in my collection.

    And, cool beans, too, @David Atherton !

    All those goats are great!

    Oh, and uh, @zumbly ... WHAAuuT? LOL
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  8. ancient coin hunter

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  9. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Supporter! Supporter

    Nice pick up... the reverse scene is very pleasing.
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  10. Agricantus

    Agricantus Allium aflatunense

    Brockage? Very cool!
  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That's a cool reverse. Great addition & Congrats.
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  12. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Supporter! Supporter

    I wonder how the reverse of this coin is attributed: Shepherd side-saddle facing waving "Hi"?

    I like the OP's coin and the others, as well.
    Thank you for posting them.
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  13. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Enrich the soldiers...ignore all others

    It is the infant Jupiter on the back of the goat Amalthea, who supposedly nursed Jupiter for a time. It is an antoninianus of Valerian II Caesar.
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  14. Limes

    Limes Supporter! Supporter

    Congratulations @Orfew! I wondered what the spikes are on the back of the herder, also shown on the coins of @David Atherton ; is it part of his furr-clothing or something like that?
  15. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    I believe it is meant to represent the hair or wool of the cloak. Thanks for the kind words.
  16. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Thanks so much for the laugh! Still watch that movie every year around Christmas.
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  17. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Thanks very much @David Atherton for posting your examples.
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  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic Supporter

    I suppose just as today overalls and boots symbolises rural simplicity, in ancient Rome a rough woollen coat symbolised rustic wholesomeness. It must've been a well known trope.
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Oops, well, I just ruined the scene...

    RR AR Denarius 3.88g L Pomponius Molo 97 BCE Rome Apollo Numa Pompilius stdng Lituus alter sacrificing goat Cr 334-1 Syd 607
  20. Stevearino

    Stevearino Supporter! Supporter

    Wow. Beautiful examples. I'd love to own one of these goats, but not a real one.

    The following is not an attempt to hijack your thread, @Orfew. Just a goat story that I encourage you/readers to ignore if you are not interested in this funny story during this trying pandemic time.

    Years ago we bought a lake cabin in northern Minnesota. I was shocked to find my neighbor. Ralph, was a man I'd known in my youth. When I walked up to greet him, I noticed he had a sheep and a goat in a fenced area. I asked him if he was a hobby farmer. He told me how he got them...

    He was teaching at a vo-tech school. Each spring a raffle was held; this time the prize was a weed-eater and a lawn mower. Unbeknownst to Ralph, the entire student body and staff put only his name in the drum. When they announced the winner of the lawn mower, Ralph's name was announced, he came up to the stage, and they brought out the sheep.

    After the laughter died down, and Ralph had returned to his seat, the drawing for the weed-eater was held. Wonder of wonders, Ralph's name was drawn again. When he got to the stage, a goat was brought out.

    Within a week or so after I admired Ralph's landscaping "equipment" he managed to get rid of the ewe. The goat, however, was a problem. Who wants a goat?

    Then one day Ralph got a visit by a Department of Natural Resources officer: livestock could not be kept within 1,000 feet of the lakeshore. His "de-goating" efforts were really accelerated at pain of a citation.

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  21. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    Great coin @Orfew, i'm glad i didn't bid against you on it! :D
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