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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 3211017, member: 13650"]This topic comes round and round again...</p><p><br /></p><p> I think some need to invent controversy just to get worked up over something. I appreciate that we have TPGs. Even to a non-collector, the simple fact that a coin is in a slab means it cost money to get it in there and it must have some value as a reason to be in that slab. They also ensure that gem coins that are 100, 200+ years old that has made it all this time without a finger print, will now be permanently protected from finger prints (which I find incredibly annoying on otherwise decent coins). At some point, a non-collector would have the opportunity to grab even a MS-67, MS-68 Morgan and reduce it to a 62 in no time not knowing the difference. The slabs are protecting the best of whats out there. Then the permanent label quickly identifies it along with a 3rd party's opinion of a grade which is fairly valuable to me. Especially in the higher grades. They also provide pedigrees for shipwreck coins, hoard coins, etc... There's no other way.</p><p><br /></p><p> I recently was looking at 1964 Kennedy halves for a type set. They made over 200 million of them! They are so common in MS I'd have to look through hundreds if not thousands to find one that interested me if they were raw. </p><p><br /></p><p> Instead I wanted to see MS-65, 66 versions which narrowed down the search by a lot. I found a MS-66+ that was toned and jumped on it. Which brings me to the next benefit. We can look at a population report of this coin and see if it makes sense to pay what I did for it. </p><p> Ok, NGC has graded only 1300 out of 200+ million, (!) a MS-66. Idk how many got a + but probably not many. The price jumps 6 to 7 times from a 66 to a 67 so a 66+ is gonna go for a little more than a 66. A 66 is kind of the sweet spot and is very impressive as far as regular, MS Kennedys go. There's only 65 graded in MS-67. None higher. </p><p> So in addition to more easily locating a Kennedy that really caught my eye, I also have all this data on the side to help with pricing info based on what's available. Without grading, none of this would be possible. A novice collector might sell a MS-67 Kennedy, not realizing how nice it really is compared to what's out there, to someone for a 65 price. A 65 might be sold as a 63. If they were all raw, nothing would stand out. This is just one coin series. I won't even go into recognizing cleaning. I have a dime they labeled as cleaned that I still can't see it but they say it's cleaned so it is what it is....</p><p> Dealers probably make a good living off of playing the grading game. I'm not a dealer and it has worked in my favor. So many coins have been manipulated in the old days in order to look better. The flaws need to be emphasized to protect buyers. Beginners really get ripped off during the learning curve IMO and many people probably get ripped off their entire collecting careers if they don't learn. The details grade label itself, although hated, is ALSO valuable. Third party authentication is valuable. </p><p> </p><p> All the stuff out there that stands out from the rest of the pack is probably going to be sent in sooner or later by a collector or dealer, in order to realize the full value of the coin. So what does this say about the rest of what's available that doesn't get sent in? As time goes on , I believe a larger and larger percentage of the highest quality, **original** coins available will be housed in slabs. We're probably already there. I see it as a positive more than something to find fault in. </p><p> There will be plenty of common coins left that never get sent in because it simply isn't worth the fee. Handle them all you want. So remind me again why someone in business to sell coins wants to sell a raw "X" as a MS-65 when it may double in price in a MS-66 slab? The average buyer and seller won't know the nuances to determine what bumps a 65 to a 66. There can be anomalies and mistakes, but usually not. Mic drop... <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 3211017, member: 13650"]This topic comes round and round again... I think some need to invent controversy just to get worked up over something. I appreciate that we have TPGs. Even to a non-collector, the simple fact that a coin is in a slab means it cost money to get it in there and it must have some value as a reason to be in that slab. They also ensure that gem coins that are 100, 200+ years old that has made it all this time without a finger print, will now be permanently protected from finger prints (which I find incredibly annoying on otherwise decent coins). At some point, a non-collector would have the opportunity to grab even a MS-67, MS-68 Morgan and reduce it to a 62 in no time not knowing the difference. The slabs are protecting the best of whats out there. Then the permanent label quickly identifies it along with a 3rd party's opinion of a grade which is fairly valuable to me. Especially in the higher grades. They also provide pedigrees for shipwreck coins, hoard coins, etc... There's no other way. I recently was looking at 1964 Kennedy halves for a type set. They made over 200 million of them! They are so common in MS I'd have to look through hundreds if not thousands to find one that interested me if they were raw. Instead I wanted to see MS-65, 66 versions which narrowed down the search by a lot. I found a MS-66+ that was toned and jumped on it. Which brings me to the next benefit. We can look at a population report of this coin and see if it makes sense to pay what I did for it. Ok, NGC has graded only 1300 out of 200+ million, (!) a MS-66. Idk how many got a + but probably not many. The price jumps 6 to 7 times from a 66 to a 67 so a 66+ is gonna go for a little more than a 66. A 66 is kind of the sweet spot and is very impressive as far as regular, MS Kennedys go. There's only 65 graded in MS-67. None higher. So in addition to more easily locating a Kennedy that really caught my eye, I also have all this data on the side to help with pricing info based on what's available. Without grading, none of this would be possible. A novice collector might sell a MS-67 Kennedy, not realizing how nice it really is compared to what's out there, to someone for a 65 price. A 65 might be sold as a 63. If they were all raw, nothing would stand out. This is just one coin series. I won't even go into recognizing cleaning. I have a dime they labeled as cleaned that I still can't see it but they say it's cleaned so it is what it is.... Dealers probably make a good living off of playing the grading game. I'm not a dealer and it has worked in my favor. So many coins have been manipulated in the old days in order to look better. The flaws need to be emphasized to protect buyers. Beginners really get ripped off during the learning curve IMO and many people probably get ripped off their entire collecting careers if they don't learn. The details grade label itself, although hated, is ALSO valuable. Third party authentication is valuable. All the stuff out there that stands out from the rest of the pack is probably going to be sent in sooner or later by a collector or dealer, in order to realize the full value of the coin. So what does this say about the rest of what's available that doesn't get sent in? As time goes on , I believe a larger and larger percentage of the highest quality, **original** coins available will be housed in slabs. We're probably already there. I see it as a positive more than something to find fault in. There will be plenty of common coins left that never get sent in because it simply isn't worth the fee. Handle them all you want. So remind me again why someone in business to sell coins wants to sell a raw "X" as a MS-65 when it may double in price in a MS-66 slab? The average buyer and seller won't know the nuances to determine what bumps a 65 to a 66. There can be anomalies and mistakes, but usually not. Mic drop... :D[/QUOTE]
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