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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7582132, member: 24314"]<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">cpm9ball, asked: "Why should it make any difference what others may have said!"</span></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Perhaps because others may be more knowledgeable? Our job as folks who suck up information about everything through all of our senses is to take it in and process it. If a person is not exposed to "good" info (for whatever the reason) their opinion will not be reliable. So given all sorts of choices in this thread</i>, <i>including your comment:</i> " <span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">Yes, I heard a lot of them say that the Dahlonega Mint was notorious for weak strikes,..." <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i>might influence members to search for more info so they will be better informed - THE ENTIRE REASON FOR MY POST! </i></span></span></p><p>"...<span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)">but for years, we heard from Morgan collectors that the New Orleans Mint was known for weak strikes when in fact the real reason was due to improper annealing. Wasn't it? So, why should I accept their word as gospel?" </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(102, 0, 51)"><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Ah, perhaps they know there are several reasons for an original coin to lack design details. </span></i> </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">johnmilton, posted: "Okay, never mind. I’ll ignore you when you ask for grades. I have never understood the system where you grade with a microscope. Microscopes are great for authentication and looking at minute die varieties. A strong glass is necessary to see if a coin has been altered or if the surfaces have been manipulated. But when it comes to assigning grades, it like accessing a forest when you are lost in the trees</span>." [<i>That's <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">NUTS! </span> You have coughed up the smoke generated for decades with an almost exact quote from one of them!] </i></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 89, 179)">"</span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">You can get no appreciation for the whole coin.</span></span> [<i>I guess this statement comes from all your experience using with one of these "tools".]</i> <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Furthermore, it <b><font size="5">can</font></b> lead to overemphasizing a defect because the microscope makes it look so big.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"><br /></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102)"><i>Very true if one is inexperienced.</i> </span></span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">If I am to decide if a coin is worn, poorly struck and struck from worn dies, I need to look at the whole thing. You don’t,... [<i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">That is correct. And others should not either (check out the replies above)</span></i>] </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)">Why are you exempt from that request? [<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i>ASKED AND ANSWERED</i></span>] I guess it’s because you are a professional, <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and the rest of us are amateurs. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I can’t tell you how many times you have frustrated me when you came here asking for our opinions or quizzing us with a microscopic view of a tiny part of a coin. Okay, I will ignore those requests from now on. My frustrations are solved! </span></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i>Thanks for your input. I had hoped to see a coin and learn your grading process.</i></span></p><p><br /></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Now, for others guessing: the micrograph is a coin with a very weak strike in the center. Weak strikes are common from this Mint. There is enough visible in the image to <b><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">correctly guess from AU to MS</span></b> because all you have to go on is the detail left in the wings! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I don't need to post an image of the edge, or the entire obverse or reverse to get this nuance of coin grading across. </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><i>No one needs to see the whole coin to ID the characteristics I post such as this:</i></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">[ATTACH=full]1306621[/ATTACH] </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><br /></span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Hopefully you will overcome your frustrations for the future. Trust me when I say that your frustration with my methods/posts is miniscule compared to what I go through on an HOURLY basis here and in the grading room. I post here because it is fun AND I am banned from NGC and PCGS forums. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></span></i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"><br /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 179)"></span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 7582132, member: 24314"]:hilarious:[COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)]cpm9ball, asked: "Why should it make any difference what others may have said!"[/COLOR] [I]Perhaps because others may be more knowledgeable? Our job as folks who suck up information about everything through all of our senses is to take it in and process it. If a person is not exposed to "good" info (for whatever the reason) their opinion will not be reliable. So given all sorts of choices in this thread[/I], [I]including your comment:[/I] " [COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)]Yes, I heard a lot of them say that the Dahlonega Mint was notorious for weak strikes,..." [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][I]might influence members to search for more info so they will be better informed - THE ENTIRE REASON FOR MY POST! [/I][/COLOR][/COLOR] "...[COLOR=rgb(102, 0, 51)]but for years, we heard from Morgan collectors that the New Orleans Mint was known for weak strikes when in fact the real reason was due to improper annealing. Wasn't it? So, why should I accept their word as gospel?" [I][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Ah, perhaps they know there are several reasons for an original coin to lack design details. [/COLOR][/I] [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]johnmilton, posted: "Okay, never mind. I’ll ignore you when you ask for grades. I have never understood the system where you grade with a microscope. Microscopes are great for authentication and looking at minute die varieties. A strong glass is necessary to see if a coin has been altered or if the surfaces have been manipulated. But when it comes to assigning grades, it like accessing a forest when you are lost in the trees[/COLOR]." [[I]That's [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]NUTS! [/COLOR] You have coughed up the smoke generated for decades with an almost exact quote from one of them!] [/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 102)][COLOR=rgb(0, 89, 179)]"[/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]You can get no appreciation for the whole coin.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [[I]I guess this statement comes from all your experience using with one of these "tools".][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]Furthermore, it [B][SIZE=5]can[/SIZE][/B] lead to overemphasizing a defect because the microscope makes it look so big.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 102)][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 102)] [I]Very true if one is inexperienced.[/I] [/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)]If I am to decide if a coin is worn, poorly struck and struck from worn dies, I need to look at the whole thing. You don’t,... [[I][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]That is correct. And others should not either (check out the replies above)[/COLOR][/I]] [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)] Why are you exempt from that request? [[COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][I]ASKED AND ANSWERED[/I][/COLOR]] I guess it’s because you are a professional, o_O and the rest of us are amateurs. o_O I can’t tell you how many times you have frustrated me when you came here asking for our opinions or quizzing us with a microscopic view of a tiny part of a coin. Okay, I will ignore those requests from now on. My frustrations are solved! [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][I]Thanks for your input. I had hoped to see a coin and learn your grading process.[/I][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]Now, for others guessing: the micrograph is a coin with a very weak strike in the center. Weak strikes are common from this Mint. There is enough visible in the image to [B][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]correctly guess from AU to MS[/COLOR][/B] because all you have to go on is the detail left in the wings! :rolleyes: I don't need to post an image of the edge, or the entire obverse or reverse to get this nuance of coin grading across. [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)] [I]No one needs to see the whole coin to ID the characteristics I post such as this:[/I] [ATTACH=full]1306621[/ATTACH] Hopefully you will overcome your frustrations for the future. Trust me when I say that your frustration with my methods/posts is miniscule compared to what I go through on an HOURLY basis here and in the grading room. I post here because it is fun AND I am banned from NGC and PCGS forums. :hilarious:[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 179)] [/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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