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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 6331707, member: 24314&quot;]<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I&#039;ve graded for ANACS, NGC, and two other TPGS (including the FIRST ONE at INSAB) that are no longer around.&nbsp; Presently I grade at ICG.&nbsp; IMO, the grading by the four major TPGS is pretty much the same.&nbsp; The big money charged by the top two for grading and conservation is because they can get it - their slabbed coins are more popular.&nbsp; Their are incorrectly graded coins (many with their problems ignored) in all TPGS slabs and that includes those with a <span style="color: #006600">bean</span>! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>BJBII, posted some thoughts: </p><ol> <li>nobody grades the graders.&nbsp; <i><span style="color: #660066">The graders are monitored internally.</span></i></li> <li>no outside service determines the proficiency level of the TPGs nor their evaluators.&nbsp; <i><span style="color: #660066">True, but CAC tries and YOU &quot;the public&quot; are the real watchdogs.</span></i></li> <li>I do not think the evaluators sign their work (opinion.) <i><span style="color: #660066"> Internal records record the graders.</span></i></li> <li>I do not believe the experience, ability, not the competence of individual evaluators is available to the customers. <i><span style="color: #660066"> The ability and experience is available to ANYONE who works at it.&nbsp; Graders learned their craft before turning professional.</span></i> </li> <li>While (we assume) TPGs do intra-agency evaluations, it is unknown if there are any formal inter-agency evaluations.&nbsp; This is beyond the rare occasion that some individual might send the same coin to more than one TPG. That is not a formal comparison.&nbsp; <i><span style="color: #660066">?? At times, some different TPGS&#039;s show coins to other services.</span></i></li> <li>As far as I know, TPGs do not provide any specifics on their evaluations that might show how a grade was determined.&nbsp; All services have a review service. At least one service (ICG) commonly discusses coins with customers.&nbsp; I&#039;ve talked with several today and in two cases asked customers to send more coins in FOR FREE so I could help them.&nbsp; The top two services do not have the time to mess with you.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></li> </ol><p>Phil&#039;s Coins, posted: &quot;The above are CORRECT. I have tried at both NGC and PCGS to find out about a grade given to a couple of coins that came back extremely low grades and on one coin the coin came back as &quot;unable to conserve&quot;, I broke it out and sent it to their competitor AFTER i rinsed it in distilled water sent it in an it came back MS67???? I called PCGS to attempt to find out why and the response I received is &quot;it is up to the individual grader&quot; I just hope he/she doesn&#039;t get anymore of my coins to grade.&quot;&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Phil&#039;s Coins, posted: &quot;I can only offer an opinion given to me Mr. Charles Hayes who was in many ways my mentor. Charles owned the only creditable coin shop in Springfield, MO for 39+ years and was known as one of the most trusted and forthright individuals ever to trade in coins.&nbsp; Charles told me of the first time he had ever heard of CAC and he was at a large coin show in Chicago when a representative of CAC was going form booth to booth offering the Beans for $5.00 and telling those that purchased them that it would only increase the value of their coins. I have no way of knowing the strength of Charles&#039; statement but knowing him as I did, I have every reason to believe him. He to my knowledge never purchased a coin with the green bean. I own two of them and ONLY because I was able to purchase both of them at then Greysheet prices. None of the individuals I correspond with or have dealing with purchase CAC stickered coins for anything above Greysheet or Bluebook prices.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Many major, long-term dealers I knew refused to use TPGS&#039;s or CAC.&nbsp; Most do now. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; You don&#039;t need <span style="color: #006600">beans</span> if you know how to grade and buy slabs you agree with.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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