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<p>[QUOTE="cladking, post: 8185143, member: 68"]Indeed! No coin can be graded or visualized sight unseen using the current practice of pricing coins instead of grading them. And, yes, I believe this is detrimental to classic coins as well. But in the case of classics it does not hurt the markets themselves so much as it hurts the grading of coins. The services do a good job of pricing which probably means it helps these markets far more than it hurts them. it gives people with no expertise the ability to know about what the coins are worth encouraging them to buy coins creating more demand. </p><p><br /></p><p>I don't approve of the current system for classics either. If the services just came out and priced the coins while assigning them a complete grade it would still help the newbies and it would help established collectors to know exactly what they are buying. </p><p><br /></p><p>But with moderns it is highly detrimental to the markets themselves. Since few moderns are worth the cost of encapsulation everybody assumes they are not collectible at all due to being too common. If this weren't detrimental enough price guides like the Redbook list prices for moderns that are unrealistically low while pricing older coins unrealistically high. How can a newbie pay market price for a rare modern (if he can find it at all) when there are no collectors and the price guide suggests it is exceedingly common? </p><p><br /></p><p>I was the biggest champion of grading moderns back in 1996 and most unfortunately I got exactly what I asked for. It has been a very predictable travesty ever since with common moderns sold to the unknowing at high prices and the rarities going unnoticed and uncollected. </p><p><br /></p><p>Moderns will do OK in the long run whether grading is fixed or not because collectors always gravitate to rarity and quality in the long term but I had been hoping that they would become appreciated back long ago when it might have done me some good. Collectors are only now starting to notice something like a well made and pristine 1982 quarter is a rarity. Nevermind if Redbook calls it a $15 coin because you probably won't find one anyway even if you're willing to pay the real market price for a coin that is priced by a "technical grade" rather than the quality of its surfaces and the dies or by its strike.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="cladking, post: 8185143, member: 68"]Indeed! No coin can be graded or visualized sight unseen using the current practice of pricing coins instead of grading them. And, yes, I believe this is detrimental to classic coins as well. But in the case of classics it does not hurt the markets themselves so much as it hurts the grading of coins. The services do a good job of pricing which probably means it helps these markets far more than it hurts them. it gives people with no expertise the ability to know about what the coins are worth encouraging them to buy coins creating more demand. I don't approve of the current system for classics either. If the services just came out and priced the coins while assigning them a complete grade it would still help the newbies and it would help established collectors to know exactly what they are buying. But with moderns it is highly detrimental to the markets themselves. Since few moderns are worth the cost of encapsulation everybody assumes they are not collectible at all due to being too common. If this weren't detrimental enough price guides like the Redbook list prices for moderns that are unrealistically low while pricing older coins unrealistically high. How can a newbie pay market price for a rare modern (if he can find it at all) when there are no collectors and the price guide suggests it is exceedingly common? I was the biggest champion of grading moderns back in 1996 and most unfortunately I got exactly what I asked for. It has been a very predictable travesty ever since with common moderns sold to the unknowing at high prices and the rarities going unnoticed and uncollected. Moderns will do OK in the long run whether grading is fixed or not because collectors always gravitate to rarity and quality in the long term but I had been hoping that they would become appreciated back long ago when it might have done me some good. Collectors are only now starting to notice something like a well made and pristine 1982 quarter is a rarity. Nevermind if Redbook calls it a $15 coin because you probably won't find one anyway even if you're willing to pay the real market price for a coin that is priced by a "technical grade" rather than the quality of its surfaces and the dies or by its strike.[/QUOTE]
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