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<p>[QUOTE="KBBPLL, post: 26623911, member: 104064"]I think you could still test it with lower grades that have full rims and in roughly the same condition. I'm thinking 10 in VG from both eras would be enough to test the contention that 21 stack the same as 20. </p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=82181]@samclemens3991[/USER] It may be worth pointing out that there were actually 3 obverse hub types. When the literature says "obverse II" they probably mean the third obverse, which was exclusive from 1901 on. During 1900 there was an intermediate hub used, likely June-Sep 1900. While short-lived, my census estimates that over 5 million coins were struck with that hub. For the third type WE TRUST was only re-engraved, so we can assume that the contention about grading before and after 1901 differently applies to both obverse 2 and 3. The denticle count changed going from Obv1 to 2 and 3 so that's likely where the relief etc changed as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>Because all three hubs were used in 1900, you could examine coins in the same grade for 1900 from the same mint with the different hubs and see if the contention holds water. It would be difficult to rule out differences in strike however. Here are my 1900 (P) for Obv1 and 2, both AU58. Honestly I can't see much of a difference in the hair and Liberty.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1697714[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1697715[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Note that the reverses are also different hubs - these are the most common I/II and II/III combinations for P mint. I/III, II/II and III/III also exist. I have the I/III and III/III; still hunting for the II/II.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="KBBPLL, post: 26623911, member: 104064"]I think you could still test it with lower grades that have full rims and in roughly the same condition. I'm thinking 10 in VG from both eras would be enough to test the contention that 21 stack the same as 20. [USER=82181]@samclemens3991[/USER] It may be worth pointing out that there were actually 3 obverse hub types. When the literature says "obverse II" they probably mean the third obverse, which was exclusive from 1901 on. During 1900 there was an intermediate hub used, likely June-Sep 1900. While short-lived, my census estimates that over 5 million coins were struck with that hub. For the third type WE TRUST was only re-engraved, so we can assume that the contention about grading before and after 1901 differently applies to both obverse 2 and 3. The denticle count changed going from Obv1 to 2 and 3 so that's likely where the relief etc changed as well. Because all three hubs were used in 1900, you could examine coins in the same grade for 1900 from the same mint with the different hubs and see if the contention holds water. It would be difficult to rule out differences in strike however. Here are my 1900 (P) for Obv1 and 2, both AU58. Honestly I can't see much of a difference in the hair and Liberty. [ATTACH=full]1697714[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1697715[/ATTACH] Note that the reverses are also different hubs - these are the most common I/II and II/III combinations for P mint. I/III, II/II and III/III also exist. I have the I/III and III/III; still hunting for the II/II.[/QUOTE]
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