Grading an 2.5 $ Indian

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Rheingold, Apr 11, 2021.

  1. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Hi Folks,

    gold Indians are no easy target for grading.
    What do you think about this piece?
    What should it grade at?
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    Every opinion is welcome :)
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  3. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    Nice coin MS61-62?I'm not a golden grader so I'm probably way off lol.
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  4. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    I'll take "what is MS63" alex, although potty may be righter.
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

  6. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Thanks.... but why no 63?
  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    I had a 1911 I sold that looks like this one , I'll guess MS - 61 ?
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  8. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    One of the most difficult coins to grade, IMO and it is beautiful, again, IMO. I think this coin should grade ~ MS-63+/64, but wouldn't be surprised at 65. I look at coins graded by PCGS and am surprised when I see the grade vs the photo vs their grading guide. I understand three graders are used and consensus wins unless one is unsure of a grade, then a fourth is used to determine final grade.
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  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I like the luster, but see a fair number of short lines running 10:00 to 4:00 on the reverse. I’m not sure it won’t grade, but I’m pretty sure it won’t qualify for 63 as a result.
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  10. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    Guessing MS-62. Beautiful coin. Someday I will get 1.
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  11. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Supporter! Supporter

    I couldn't even begin to guess, so won't. LOL
  12. Jon Brand

    Jon Brand Well-Known Member

    MS63 or 64 but hard to tell if those hairlines are serious or not.
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  13. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I agree, however, I graded as if they were not a problem.
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  14. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Those hairlines are very faint.
  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks like 2 different coins to me. The top one being a higher grade.
  16. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Now that you mention it... Are we being hornswaggled?
  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not sure but I see differences in the head bonnet.
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  18. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    I now see different coin dings and rubs/scratches? :confused:
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  19. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The wear on the bonnet arc wool? behind the head band is different and so are ear coverings.
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  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Glad you are seeing the same thing I am.
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  21. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    You have to grade these by the luster and the upper left quadrant of the reverse. You have an easy MS62.

    I agree with others that this is a tough series to grade. Try your hand at a 1908, which has very little reverse feather detail as struck. Before I knew that information, I bought one raw as a “VF35” and it came back from NGC as AU58!
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