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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 3882863, member: 15309"]This basically mirrors my long standing view on the issue. I feel compelled to warn you that this is a very unpopular opinion, and that pretty much everybody else has resigned themselves to the conclusion that the TPG's change their grading standards on a cyclical basis, both loosening and tightening them, in order to drive resubmissions. They are so convinced that this is the reason for gradeflation that they usually won't consider an alternative theory like you and I hold, despite the fact that if they are correct in their theory, the TPGs are perpetrating a fraud on the general public. You can't offer a grade guaranty and then secretly and routinely change the grading standards without committing fraud.</p><p><br /></p><p>You mention TPG "reconsideration" and "regrading" as an avenue for gradeflation. I have only every submitted two coins in this fashion and both came back with the same grade. I'm aware that my sample size is insignificant, and my point isn't that upgrades couldn't happen, only that I don't think that enough people are using these services and getting upgrades to move the needle on gradeflation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Crackouts and crossovers are the more likely source of the resubmissions that account for gradeflation. The real problem is that over time it creates a disproportionate amount of coins that are low end for the assigned grade which then can lead to the market perceiving those coins as "representative" for the assigned grade. But that effect essentially created the opportunity for CAC to enter the marketplace with their business model. They basically separate the wheat from the chaff, and the coins that truly deserve the assigned grade are restored in value (somewhat).</p><p><br /></p><p>I consistently hear that grading was more strict in the 90's and that coins that reside in older holders will be more conservatively graded than coins graded today. I didn't start submitting coins until 2001, and didn't submit Jefferson Nickels until a decade after that, but to my eye and anecdotal experience, I actually see the opposite. I find that many of the Jefferson Nickels, especially war nickels, that reside in old fatty NGC MS67 holders are of a much lower quality than what I see getting MS67 today.</p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, the reason for gradeflation is a combination of the inherent subjectivity in grading and greed. We have all graded coins and been on the fence as to the grade. Is it a high end MS64 or a low end MS65? Our determinations vary based on how we rank and prioritize the different elements of grading. But it is entirely possible to find a coin where the initial graders all think the coin is MS64, but upon resubmission, all of the new graders think the coin is MS65. Once we admit that this is possible (or even probable), it only takes a financial incentive to start seeing coins be cracked, resubmitted, and MS64s turning into MS65s. This is especially true of conditional rarities where the jump in price is huge compared to the cost of the grading fee. For example, if the price jump from one grade to the next is $1K, and the grading fee is $50, the crackout artist is basically getting 20 to 1 odds to resubmit the coin. If he knows the market and knows he has only has a 10% chance at an upgrade, he can still submit the coin 10 times and make a tidy profit.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 3882863, member: 15309"]This basically mirrors my long standing view on the issue. I feel compelled to warn you that this is a very unpopular opinion, and that pretty much everybody else has resigned themselves to the conclusion that the TPG's change their grading standards on a cyclical basis, both loosening and tightening them, in order to drive resubmissions. They are so convinced that this is the reason for gradeflation that they usually won't consider an alternative theory like you and I hold, despite the fact that if they are correct in their theory, the TPGs are perpetrating a fraud on the general public. You can't offer a grade guaranty and then secretly and routinely change the grading standards without committing fraud. You mention TPG "reconsideration" and "regrading" as an avenue for gradeflation. I have only every submitted two coins in this fashion and both came back with the same grade. I'm aware that my sample size is insignificant, and my point isn't that upgrades couldn't happen, only that I don't think that enough people are using these services and getting upgrades to move the needle on gradeflation. Crackouts and crossovers are the more likely source of the resubmissions that account for gradeflation. The real problem is that over time it creates a disproportionate amount of coins that are low end for the assigned grade which then can lead to the market perceiving those coins as "representative" for the assigned grade. But that effect essentially created the opportunity for CAC to enter the marketplace with their business model. They basically separate the wheat from the chaff, and the coins that truly deserve the assigned grade are restored in value (somewhat). I consistently hear that grading was more strict in the 90's and that coins that reside in older holders will be more conservatively graded than coins graded today. I didn't start submitting coins until 2001, and didn't submit Jefferson Nickels until a decade after that, but to my eye and anecdotal experience, I actually see the opposite. I find that many of the Jefferson Nickels, especially war nickels, that reside in old fatty NGC MS67 holders are of a much lower quality than what I see getting MS67 today. IMO, the reason for gradeflation is a combination of the inherent subjectivity in grading and greed. We have all graded coins and been on the fence as to the grade. Is it a high end MS64 or a low end MS65? Our determinations vary based on how we rank and prioritize the different elements of grading. But it is entirely possible to find a coin where the initial graders all think the coin is MS64, but upon resubmission, all of the new graders think the coin is MS65. Once we admit that this is possible (or even probable), it only takes a financial incentive to start seeing coins be cracked, resubmitted, and MS64s turning into MS65s. This is especially true of conditional rarities where the jump in price is huge compared to the cost of the grading fee. For example, if the price jump from one grade to the next is $1K, and the grading fee is $50, the crackout artist is basically getting 20 to 1 odds to resubmit the coin. If he knows the market and knows he has only has a 10% chance at an upgrade, he can still submit the coin 10 times and make a tidy profit.[/QUOTE]
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