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Message:: [QUOTE="CamaroDMD, post: 590477, member: 5233"]Well, you will find that often times a AU58 will have much better eye appeal than a low grade MS.  That's because an AU58 will have barely noticeable wear and practically no bag marks while a low grade MS can have lots of bag marks but no wear.  This goes back to the old "AU63" concept that has been discussed here on the forum so many times. One thing you have to understand is the grading criteria for a quarter eagle and a double eagle are VERY different.  Double eagles are large gold coins, the combination of the soft gold and the large surface area creates a perfect scenario to make bag marks.  Because of this, graders often forgive the large gold coins for having a fair amount of marks on them.  As long as there is no wear (which this coin must not have...I can't really tell from the photos) they can earn significant MS points.  Now, based on the photos I would say this coin is a bit too marked up to be a 65 IMHO...but I could see a 62 or 63 easily.  This is not the case with the smaller gold coins.  Because they have a much smaller surface area they aren't as prone to bag marks and thus don't get forgiven for bag marks like the larger coins are.[/QUOTE]