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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1419429, member: 112"]Yes, I see them. They are plainly evident when you expand the picture to its full size. But not all of those lines are scratches. Some are and some are not.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I would have to say the coin has not been harshly cleaned. Dipped maybe, but not harshly cleaned.</p><p> </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Scratches yes, but definitely not hairlines. Hairlines are very light, very fine lines across the surface of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think you have a combination of things going on with this coin. I would say that some of these lines are definitely scratches, they are incuse. But some of them are raised, and these I'm not sure what caused them, or even what might have caused them. The reason for my uncertainty is that with the raised lines, they are only raised on the higher portions of the hair. At the low points in the hair, in the lower, flat, gaps between the strands of hair, the lines are not even there - they disappear. And that is very odd. For it should be the opposite way around.</p><p><br /></p><p>You see, if the lines were some sort of flaw in the planchet itself from before the coin was struck, then the lines should be present and stronger, more defined, in the lower points. For the lower points are where there is less metal flow when the coin is struck.</p><p><br /></p><p>But they are not. The lines completely disappear in the low points of the hair and are only visible on the higher points of the hair. That made me think that possibly the lines were on the hub, scratches on the hub if you will. For if any place on the hub were scratched it would be the high points that got scratched. ( For those of you who don't already know the hub is in relief, just like a coin is in relief. Whereas a die is incuse.)</p><p><br /></p><p>But if that were the case then the lines would be present on the die and you would expect to find these lines on other coins. But after searching quite a few other '91-CC Morgans I cannot find another example. There may well be out there, the coin had less than 2 million struck so there were not that many die pairs, so you would expect to be able to find more like this coin if the lines were on the die.</p><p><br /></p><p>And I think die scratches are ruled out because of the nature of the lines. If they were die scratches then the lines should be strong in the low points of the hair, but they are not. They are not even there.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I dunno, I'm confused, nothing seems to make sense when you work out the possibilities. But the lines are there, of that there is no doubt.</p><p><br /></p><p>Grade ? I dunno what a TPG would say. They may or may not try and work out how and what happened like I did when they look at this coin. They may make false assumptions, or they may not. I just don't know. </p><p><br /></p><p>Personally I'd call the coin a 63, but that's me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1419429, member: 112"]Yes, I see them. They are plainly evident when you expand the picture to its full size. But not all of those lines are scratches. Some are and some are not. I would have to say the coin has not been harshly cleaned. Dipped maybe, but not harshly cleaned. Scratches yes, but definitely not hairlines. Hairlines are very light, very fine lines across the surface of the coin. I think you have a combination of things going on with this coin. I would say that some of these lines are definitely scratches, they are incuse. But some of them are raised, and these I'm not sure what caused them, or even what might have caused them. The reason for my uncertainty is that with the raised lines, they are only raised on the higher portions of the hair. At the low points in the hair, in the lower, flat, gaps between the strands of hair, the lines are not even there - they disappear. And that is very odd. For it should be the opposite way around. You see, if the lines were some sort of flaw in the planchet itself from before the coin was struck, then the lines should be present and stronger, more defined, in the lower points. For the lower points are where there is less metal flow when the coin is struck. But they are not. The lines completely disappear in the low points of the hair and are only visible on the higher points of the hair. That made me think that possibly the lines were on the hub, scratches on the hub if you will. For if any place on the hub were scratched it would be the high points that got scratched. ( For those of you who don't already know the hub is in relief, just like a coin is in relief. Whereas a die is incuse.) But if that were the case then the lines would be present on the die and you would expect to find these lines on other coins. But after searching quite a few other '91-CC Morgans I cannot find another example. There may well be out there, the coin had less than 2 million struck so there were not that many die pairs, so you would expect to be able to find more like this coin if the lines were on the die. And I think die scratches are ruled out because of the nature of the lines. If they were die scratches then the lines should be strong in the low points of the hair, but they are not. They are not even there. So I dunno, I'm confused, nothing seems to make sense when you work out the possibilities. But the lines are there, of that there is no doubt. Grade ? I dunno what a TPG would say. They may or may not try and work out how and what happened like I did when they look at this coin. They may make false assumptions, or they may not. I just don't know. Personally I'd call the coin a 63, but that's me.[/QUOTE]
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