Grade this 1909-S Indian Cent

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by rooman9, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    Yes I know it would be a details coin. But I just want to know what everyone thinks. The first photos are the sellers and then my own. Sorry I couldn't get better photos. I believe it's a high AU, the coin is much better in hand. The obverse looks UNC but the reverse isn't pretty.
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  3. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Definitely AU details, but I wouldn't touch it. Besides the obvious black spotting (environmental damage or crud? I can't tell), and the weird color, it looks cleaned.
     
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  4. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    I agree with everything you said, cleaned, black spots. But I did buy it, but it was a really low price.
     
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  5. atcarroll

    atcarroll Well-Known Member

    I'd be afraid of the black spots spreading
     
  6. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    Yea, I'll be watching those. But I live in a very arid, dry climate so that should help slow it down.
     
  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    As bad as that one is, try some Verdi-care on it. It won't get rid of it all, but it will improve it and stop it from spreading.
     
  8. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    If it were me, I'd be throwing everything but the kitchen sink at that puppy. :D
     
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  9. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    What else would you recommend?
     
  10. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I'd try some acetone on that crud , maybe a soak in water (distilled) 1st .
     
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  11. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Recommend? Acetone, Xylene and Verdicare.

    What I'd do? Well, l'd have already had that coin boiled in Therminol....kids, don't do this at home. :)
     
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  12. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I'd call it au 55 details. And again. I'd try acetone xylene and Verdicare in that order
     
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  13. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I grade it 'questionable authenticity"
     
  14. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    What makes you think it's a fake Frank?
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    the 'look' and the S seems off
     
  16. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    It has a previous cleaning, those black copper formate spots are tell-tale. I know of nothing that can remove those, in my limited experience with such corrosion, VC is not effective on it as it's very tenacious. AFAIK, not even NCS will attempt to conserve such a coin.
     
  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Uncirculated details, environmental damage. However, need sharper photo. Have not seen this die state before and the coin looks counterfeit :eek:

    On the good side...no one would make a decent counterfeit and corrode it on purpose - yet! o_O
     
  18. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    So I got it for a fair price. I don't I'll get one for this price again. Should I sell it before the corrosion gets any worse?
     
  19. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    On second look, I'm wondering if it isn't a fake as well. Could you possibly provide a good closeup of the mint mark and the denticles on the reverse from 6:30-7 o'clock?
     
  20. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    It's been previously improperly cleaned , au58 -ms60 details if it was not for the black spots you'd prolly 62-64
     
  21. Agilmore01

    Agilmore01 Well-Known Member

    Looks like a chunk taken out right in front of her neck near the necklace.

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