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<p>[QUOTE="Beefer518, post: 4640262, member: 87737"]In re to the red text - A collector should rely on his own eyes and opinion of what he is seeing, and nothing else. There's really not much else to say in that regard. It's the same old adage - "Buy the coin, not the slab/hype/sales pitch"</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, ANA standards are ANA standards, but there are 2 problems (probably more can be argued) with that in regards to this situation -</p><ol> <li>The seller host strictly forbids using number grades to assess the condition of a coin that is not slabbed by one of the 4 major TPG's, therefore any number grade or hinting at a number grade should (and IMO must) be ignored on a raw coin</li> <li>Grading is based on the 'opinion of the grader', so it can be argued (and from what I understand has been in court), that the seller (aka grader) who in his OPINION feels the coin warrants the grade he/she assigned to it. You don't have to agree with it, and we know there are good, bad, and <i>horrible </i>'expert graders' in this world of numismatics. </li> </ol><p>In regards to the images being juiced, absolutely they were. Now the question is, and would need to be proved, is whether the seller intentionally juiced them in an attempt to deceive, or is he possibly just a poor photographer? Maybe on his/her screen it doesn't look juiced. In his/her opinion, those photos could be a valid representation of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, do I believe that? NO! But the point is there are tons of tremendously bad photos of coins on the internet (have you seen the stuff half the members here post?), and a buyer of coins has to be able to read the photo of the coin he is potentially going to drop some coin on (pun intended) to prevent situations like this and protect himself.</p><p><br /></p><p>The buyer here is fortunate that the seller offers free returns with no question, and that he doesn't have to go through the INAD process (although the Bay does make it fairly simple). The buyer got the exact coin in the listing.</p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00">***</span><span style="color: #0000ff">I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORTING OR DEFENDING THE SELLER IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT TRYING TO GET THE OP AND OTHER'S TO SEE THAT BUYER'S MUST PRACTICE DUE DILIGENCE IN THIS HOBBY</span><span style="color: #00ff00">***</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Beefer518, post: 4640262, member: 87737"]In re to the red text - A collector should rely on his own eyes and opinion of what he is seeing, and nothing else. There's really not much else to say in that regard. It's the same old adage - "Buy the coin, not the slab/hype/sales pitch" Yes, ANA standards are ANA standards, but there are 2 problems (probably more can be argued) with that in regards to this situation - [LIST=1] [*]The seller host strictly forbids using number grades to assess the condition of a coin that is not slabbed by one of the 4 major TPG's, therefore any number grade or hinting at a number grade should (and IMO must) be ignored on a raw coin [*]Grading is based on the 'opinion of the grader', so it can be argued (and from what I understand has been in court), that the seller (aka grader) who in his OPINION feels the coin warrants the grade he/she assigned to it. You don't have to agree with it, and we know there are good, bad, and [I]horrible [/I]'expert graders' in this world of numismatics. [/LIST] In regards to the images being juiced, absolutely they were. Now the question is, and would need to be proved, is whether the seller intentionally juiced them in an attempt to deceive, or is he possibly just a poor photographer? Maybe on his/her screen it doesn't look juiced. In his/her opinion, those photos could be a valid representation of the coin. Now, do I believe that? NO! But the point is there are tons of tremendously bad photos of coins on the internet (have you seen the stuff half the members here post?), and a buyer of coins has to be able to read the photo of the coin he is potentially going to drop some coin on (pun intended) to prevent situations like this and protect himself. The buyer here is fortunate that the seller offers free returns with no question, and that he doesn't have to go through the INAD process (although the Bay does make it fairly simple). The buyer got the exact coin in the listing. [COLOR=#00ff00]***[/COLOR][COLOR=#0000ff]I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORTING OR DEFENDING THE SELLER IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT TRYING TO GET THE OP AND OTHER'S TO SEE THAT BUYER'S MUST PRACTICE DUE DILIGENCE IN THIS HOBBY[/COLOR][COLOR=#00ff00]***[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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