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<p>[QUOTE="Blaubart, post: 1730301, member: 37498"]And, we all know that correlation equals causation, so you must be right. Do you suppose there might be other variables involved?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Assuming that they're knowingly buying stolen goods (which most pawn shops don't), and assuming those who do will choose to follow a new law despite the fact that they were already breaking the laws that pertain to stolen property. To me, this is a lot like banning guns when murder is already illegal and carries a higher penalty than being in possession of a banned gun. If a pawn shop owner is willing to face possible jail time for knowingly receiving stolen property, do you think he'll care at all about a $250 fine?</p><p><br /></p><p>What I still would like to know is to what extent laws such as these have accomplished what they were supposed to. I would like to see a reputable study that shows what the before and after larceny and recovery of stolen goods rates are in communities where these laws have been enacted. What I can guarantee you is that the additional expenses of compliance and enforcement far outweigh any benefits and they ultimately make it harder for honest people to do business.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, proof of ownership. How many honest people here have a receipt for every single coin in their possession? What about those coins found while coin roll hunting? If I take a roll of 40% halves that I found while CRH to a coin store in one of these communities, they're going to want to see proof of ownership. Since I can't provide that, I'll have to take them elsewhere. So not only do you have an increase in the administrative cost of running a business, you can also add in lost revenue. To add insult to injury, you treat honest people like criminals.</p><p><br /></p><p>What about people who have a large investment in precious metals, but don't have any receipts? What about an elderly gentleman I know who has about $1,000 face value in pre-1965 silver? He pulled it all out of circulation before I was even born and has no receipts for any of it. Is it just "Sucks to be you old man!" and he can't sell his coins? Or does he have to spend them at face value?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Blaubart, post: 1730301, member: 37498"]And, we all know that correlation equals causation, so you must be right. Do you suppose there might be other variables involved? Assuming that they're knowingly buying stolen goods (which most pawn shops don't), and assuming those who do will choose to follow a new law despite the fact that they were already breaking the laws that pertain to stolen property. To me, this is a lot like banning guns when murder is already illegal and carries a higher penalty than being in possession of a banned gun. If a pawn shop owner is willing to face possible jail time for knowingly receiving stolen property, do you think he'll care at all about a $250 fine? What I still would like to know is to what extent laws such as these have accomplished what they were supposed to. I would like to see a reputable study that shows what the before and after larceny and recovery of stolen goods rates are in communities where these laws have been enacted. What I can guarantee you is that the additional expenses of compliance and enforcement far outweigh any benefits and they ultimately make it harder for honest people to do business. For example, proof of ownership. How many honest people here have a receipt for every single coin in their possession? What about those coins found while coin roll hunting? If I take a roll of 40% halves that I found while CRH to a coin store in one of these communities, they're going to want to see proof of ownership. Since I can't provide that, I'll have to take them elsewhere. So not only do you have an increase in the administrative cost of running a business, you can also add in lost revenue. To add insult to injury, you treat honest people like criminals. What about people who have a large investment in precious metals, but don't have any receipts? What about an elderly gentleman I know who has about $1,000 face value in pre-1965 silver? He pulled it all out of circulation before I was even born and has no receipts for any of it. Is it just "Sucks to be you old man!" and he can't sell his coins? Or does he have to spend them at face value?[/QUOTE]
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