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<p>[QUOTE="NorthKorea, post: 1729837, member: 29643"]You conveniently missed that his gripe on 1900 man hours was driven by his getting fined $1000 for not doing the job (which he writes as "their job") right. Also, I'm assuming he's not paying $15/hr the data entry. He said he has staff law enforcement officers. That sounds like grandiose phrasing for security guards. They're usually paid minimum wage. In Illinois, the minimum wage is $8.25.</p><p><br /></p><p>On top of that, the bill, insofar as I can tell, died in session. The House amended it several times, and the Senate ended session. So, essentially, he's claiming he had to pay a $1000 fine as a result of this "law" (which was never enacted). That's simply not possible. He can't be fined for non-compliance with a law that doesn't exist.</p><p><br /></p><p>As I said, if I saw that sign on the door of a shop, I would never do business with that owner again. It's clear that he's blaming the government for his misunderstanding (or misapplication) of existing laws. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been fined. The "1900 man hours" (which really seems like an exaggeration) was likely the result of the owner being asked to provide proof of acquisition of the stolen goods.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, for the "proof of ownership" requirement in the proposed Act, included is the "affidavit of ownership" clause. That basically means that the buyer needs a written statement from the individual selling the item (whose identification has been collected in the form of a scan/copy of the driver's license) that they are the owner of the item. Additional allowances are receipts of sale. Usually an individual will keep receipts or similar paperwork for insurance purposes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, the legislation was intended for regulation of the purchase/sale of precious metals. Essentially, the legislation would apply to businesses not accountable to the pawnbroker laws of Illinois. I'm actually surprised that a coin store wasn't already subject to pawnbroker laws, but I'm admittedly not versed in Illinois commerce law.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, I think the biggest contention with the law is the $250 cap on cash purchase. This might make it difficult for the store owner to convince people to sell coins to them, since they can only pay up to $250 in cash for any items containing a precious metal. That said, the law doesn't seem to apply to non-precious metal coins, so the LCS could still buy base metal coins for thousands of dollars in cash. I'd assume that would be a point of contention for someone voting on the legislation who actually collects coins or understands numismatics.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NorthKorea, post: 1729837, member: 29643"]You conveniently missed that his gripe on 1900 man hours was driven by his getting fined $1000 for not doing the job (which he writes as "their job") right. Also, I'm assuming he's not paying $15/hr the data entry. He said he has staff law enforcement officers. That sounds like grandiose phrasing for security guards. They're usually paid minimum wage. In Illinois, the minimum wage is $8.25. On top of that, the bill, insofar as I can tell, died in session. The House amended it several times, and the Senate ended session. So, essentially, he's claiming he had to pay a $1000 fine as a result of this "law" (which was never enacted). That's simply not possible. He can't be fined for non-compliance with a law that doesn't exist. As I said, if I saw that sign on the door of a shop, I would never do business with that owner again. It's clear that he's blaming the government for his misunderstanding (or misapplication) of existing laws. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been fined. The "1900 man hours" (which really seems like an exaggeration) was likely the result of the owner being asked to provide proof of acquisition of the stolen goods. Also, for the "proof of ownership" requirement in the proposed Act, included is the "affidavit of ownership" clause. That basically means that the buyer needs a written statement from the individual selling the item (whose identification has been collected in the form of a scan/copy of the driver's license) that they are the owner of the item. Additional allowances are receipts of sale. Usually an individual will keep receipts or similar paperwork for insurance purposes. Again, the legislation was intended for regulation of the purchase/sale of precious metals. Essentially, the legislation would apply to businesses not accountable to the pawnbroker laws of Illinois. I'm actually surprised that a coin store wasn't already subject to pawnbroker laws, but I'm admittedly not versed in Illinois commerce law. Also, I think the biggest contention with the law is the $250 cap on cash purchase. This might make it difficult for the store owner to convince people to sell coins to them, since they can only pay up to $250 in cash for any items containing a precious metal. That said, the law doesn't seem to apply to non-precious metal coins, so the LCS could still buy base metal coins for thousands of dollars in cash. I'd assume that would be a point of contention for someone voting on the legislation who actually collects coins or understands numismatics.[/QUOTE]
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