Got a visit from the secret service today.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by LostDutchman, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. stealer

    stealer Roller of Coins


    Great to hear that eBay is finally getting the bad rap they deserve! Maybe I can finally stop reporting all those fakes every day :smile
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  3. Pilkenton

    Pilkenton almost uncirculated

    Does reporting stuff on ebay give you an unwanted reputation over there? Besides coins, me and my daughter collect autographs. On ebay, there are always people listing autographed nude pics of porn stars. I report them all the time, and they are removed. Does my constant badgering them give me a reputation at ebay that I don't need?
  4. stealer

    stealer Roller of Coins

    I don't think so. I don't even use the account to buy, just to report :)
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Be careful, Dutch. If you are successful and you shut off China's market for their counterfeit coins here in the US they may get angry and not buy any more of our debt. What would we do then? Huh? :eek:
  6. stealer

    stealer Roller of Coins

    We sue them for not buying our debt! :too-funny:
  7. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    reclaim all the outsourced jobs and re-outsource them to india ;)
  8. EyeEatWheaties

    EyeEatWheaties Cent Hoarder

    I recently got 4 of the most harshest messages I have ever gotten from eBay over 4 coins that I bought and returned as counterfeit. The way the letter was written, it appeared to me that the letter was sent to everyone that bought from the seller.

    I can surmise that that seller is in big big trouble. BTW he was selling the same coins that are listed as counterfeit coins on overstock. lincoln 14d, 09s and indian 08s & 09s

    Something is going on.
  9. Strikeluster

    Strikeluster New Member

    Thanks for taking the time and making the effort on behalf of our hobby.

  10. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Good job, lets hope they do something about it...
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER


    From what I recall of the first article in Coin World (December, 2008?) about Jinghuashei's operation, the counterfeit coins could be sold legally (Chinese law) in the Asian market without "REPLICA" (the US requires "COPY") on the coins. My understanding was that these coins were first being introduced into the US market via European dealers who were purchasing them in Asia.

  12. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    I am of the opinion; although the law doesn't specifically require it, marking must be integral to the die and not hand stamped. Else at the time the replica is struck and awaiting counter-stamp the coin will exist for a period of time without the legally required markings thus counterfeit. Technically hand stamped replicas are actually counter-stamped counterfeits.
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's gonna take more than that to get them to wake up. You could put billboards all over DC advertising that same info and they still wouldn't see it.
  14. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    And machete under the bed, within close reach. But I am paranoid.
  15. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    That is how they were first introduced into the US but sites like EBay and overstock have become the main venue for the importation and distribution of this junk.

    I'm just a small fish in a big pond. Anyone can do the things I have done in their own cities and states. I have been a good standing member of EBay for years and I play fair. I have no problem with the pieces being sold that are marked legally. I just want to see what I can do personally to try to make a difference.
  16. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Thank for sharing! that Dutch!

    Thank you Dutch!:thumb:
    if everyone would report item like you did,it may wake someone up D.C+SS!
    I hope your report is not in just put in to file that no one follows up on.
    I hope you & all member keep reporting that is the only way to open the right folk looking in to this!

  17. Pilkenton

    Pilkenton almost uncirculated

    I got a machete under my bed too!!!
  18. FreakyGsMom

    FreakyGsMom Member

    Great job Matt! :thumb:
  19. coinman0456

    coinman0456 Coin Collector

    yeah, it's a rude awakening for the feds. hmmmm One recent story I read , I forget who , but he stated he visited china and warehouses of chinese counterfeit U.S. coinage piled from floor to ceiling throughout the entire building .
  20. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Thanks for being part of the solution to improve the "eBay experience". There have been few constructive efforts, other than whiners bothering eBay with reactive complaints, which appreciably increases eBay expenses and liability, ultimately potentially reducing available choices for consumers.

    We need more individuals as yourself, and other responsible "community" members to have proactive recommendations which doesn't necessarily increase eBay potential liability, and may reduce their costs. A carrot versus stick approach generally has better results.

    We as dealers/collectors should be lobbying/suggesting/demanding that any "currency" (e.g. mini double eagles, "proof" clad unmarked copies, etc.) offered in eBay monetary auctions, must be "authorized issue" of a legitimate governing body. Copies, etc. should be relegated to a separate "coin novelty" category, with notification that listing categorization violation constitutes timely suspension, or immediate revocation of all eBay access privileges.

    Some individuals have initiated litigious actions, but that isn't a reasonable solution. If pressure is applied to appropriately prominently warn sellers of policies to protect the consumer from "novelty (fraudulent?)" monetary items, and the immediate penalties (subject to arbitration), I assure you that violations will be reduced. Subsequent eBay notification by alert observers will reduce the costs to eBay, reduce their liability for "improper" actions, and increase consumer confidence for credible products.

    I believe I speak for the majority of community members in applauding your proactive efforts. It's very difficult to passively realize recommendation acknowledgment from eBay. Their system appears to be the epitome of one design by an uneducated committee. Attempts as yours, with additional community support, may subsequently evoke positive actions to correct horrendous eBay auction conditions. Please continue your efforts.
  21. vnickels

    vnickels Matt Draiss Numismatics & Galleries

    At least there doing something to get rid of Chinese fakes!
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