got a 1965 error coin offcenter doubled struck can you help me out?

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wow vary vary nice pic great thanks for that so can anyone tell me what your thoughts r on this coin?now

 

I just hope its authentic. That thing is pretty cool.

 

I think Nick66 has a point....the overstruck IN GOD WE TRUST just seems to be at a goofy angle.

 

Sorry, it makes no sense to me except being a counterfeit. When a double strike or overstrike occures, most of the time, the top layer is flatten, which in this case, Washington's hair, and probably his forehead, neck etc. How on earth with a flat plane of the die NOT flatten such details?

Another major issue seems to be that the flow of the metal looks very abnormal, if you are to compare the "double struck" region against the single struck region. It seems that it has been "acidified", probably a light coating of acid on a fake die so that it would be easy to work on the silver quarter.

While I have been studying Russian overstruck coins for a period of time, the theory is very simple - when the flat plane of the die strikes any coin, whatever details that were there usually flattens out and leaves an outline, except two, which is when the planchet was not even in the first place, or the die was not struck at the right angle. The only time when most of the details remain is when the "gorged out" section of the die leaves some space, and hence, leaves some sort of "impression".

In this particular case, I don't see any unusual feature of the second strike as not struck in the right angle or abnormal planchet, unless you say that the coin is bent in some odd manner.

The same goes to the reverse and so far I think I am more than convienced that you are holding onto an attempt of a double struck coin.

Perhaps you should bring that to another coin dealer and ask his opinion since we cannot get an accurate view from pictures alone.

 

ok i see also if you take a other 1965 and put it on top of the error 1965 the error coin is just a lil bigger like where the seconed strike is is smashed a lil and you can see it by looking at the coin from the side veiw where the rim is a lil like bent does that mean anythang?

 

also i can email you a pic from the side of coin and 1 of where i put a other 1965 on top of it so you can see how much bigger it is let me know thanks again

 

and what if the 2nd strike was a vary weak strike would that of made this coin that way?

 

Sorry, you are contradicting yourself there. If it was a weak strike, such bold details of the letters WILL not appear there in the first place.

What exactly is your purpose here? To fraud? If that's the case, I'll stick to what I said - that it has been manipulated. There is no need to tell me what it should be like - those pics alone have told me enough what it has been through.

While it WOULD have been nice if that was a genuine, I urge you and others to check with genuine double or multiple striked coins at Mike Byers' site as an example. http://www.byersnc.com/ (Am I wrong that Mike Diamond is related to Byers' site by any chance?)

This is an example of a multiple strike, although it is not a quarter:



You should be able to see that it is not hard to see that the underlying image got flattened by the die, except the gorged out areas.

Like I said, if you refuse to believe my or actually Mike's words, you should go to a dealer and ask for his opinions. And if he disagrees, you can always sent it to a grading company for an opinion until you are satisified.

 

Just out of curiosity, how would someone make fake dies? I'm guessing the could use a soft metal, and then use impact to make them, but wouldn't the dies deform when you hit the planchet or coin? I'm not trying to contradict anyone btw.

 

You mean a counterfeit die like this?



The die that I have is made of hard steel, as of most dies used worldwide, so I cannot see why counterfeit US dies not exist either.

 

Interesting. Do you know if they are made from impressing a coin into the metal, or if they people who made it are expert engravers? Very intriguing to say the least.

 

I am guessing that it's probably hand engraved, and indeed it is very troubling. I checked it against a genuine Japanese 1 yen and the only difference is with it's claw, but that's because it wasn't engraved properly. Other than that, it is indeed a well done counterfeit die.

What recently happened last year was that there was a craze over a counterfeited 2005 silver 10 yuan panda, except it was minted in such a way that it was double struck and 20% off, which send the bidders into some frenzy mode. Picturewise, I was equally fooled too. But wait a minute, on a government PROOF coin that is 20% off and double struck??? That's almost impossible unless one of the mint employeers decided to fool around, but that almost rarely happens as you can get executed unde the new Chinese law. Final price went over the 500 dollar mark if I remember right, and the seller in Taiwan.

Obviously, when that coin was sent to PCGS if I remember right, that coin was deemed as a counterfeit.

 

ok that sounds great guys ever coin shop i took it to told me that they would buy it but only offer me 100 dollars but when i asked if it was a fake thay said no but the best thang would be send it to the experts like at ngc and see what happens right?
thanks thanks again for all of the help means alot to me

 

Hi,
I agree with Mike, It's a fake. The first strike should be almost obliterated by the second strike.
Bill

 

mike seems to be the man that would know so if it is a fake then it is a fake so should i still send it to ngc r throw it in the trash ?

 

hi i also got 30 of those new 2004 10 dollar bills what is the deal on those why is everone paying good money for them?

 

Some people do collect struck counterfeits, so I think I would be worth at least $5 - $10 if offered up on eBay AS a counterfeit.

Sending it to NGC would simply be a waste of money as this is not even close to being convincing.

While weak second strikes following a normal first strike are a reality, such an error would look nothing like your quarter. You'd still have the sharp, interrmittent penetration of the first strike through the second, and you wouldn't have the roughened surface and attentuated letters (IN GOD WE TRUST) that we see in your specimen. Also, both faces on your coins show deep crescentic grooves at the inner margin of the second strike that look like rim impressions. Authentic dies don't have any protrusions that would correspond to these depressed semicircles.

 

One easy way is to mount a quarter planchet (cheap and easy to obtain) on a wooden dowel and press a quarter into the blank surface. Then use the resulting fake die face to strike another quarter planchet or a struck quarter. Naturally, more sophisticated methods are available.