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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 7652155, member: 105571"]Answering your second question first, less than 1% of all coins granted a green CAC certification earn the gold CAC certification. IIRC, the number is something like 0.53%.</p><p><br /></p><p>A green CAC means that the coin is either an A or B quality for the TPG-assigned grade. There are four tiers of coin quality in each grade: A, B, C and D. C is below average for the grade and D is average minus for the grade or even over-graded. So a B coin is average+ for the assigned grade and an A coin is the cream of the crop for that assigned grade. These are the meanings as published and written about by CAC and many respected people in the trade and collecting community.</p><p><br /></p><p>A gold CAC certification means that the coin is under-graded for the assigned TPG grade. In other words, if the TPG gave the coin a MS-62 grade but CAC believes it is actually a MS-63, then it would merit a gold sticker. Now, I do not know if CAC makes the distinction between a MS-63 A, B or C coin. For example, if the MS-62 coin is really a MS-63 but just an average C coin for MS-63, does it get the gold bean? Don't know. I would love to hear some knowledgeable feedback on this question. Below is my 1859 half dime, graded PCGS PR-62 but with a gold CAC bean. So, for a PR-63 grade, would it be an A, B, C, or D coin?</p><p><br /></p><p>The arguments made against CAC that it is just one man's opinion are somewhat spurious. First of all, John Albanese is not just any person, he is the founder of PCGS and NGC and is a noted grader. Secondly, he doesn't work alone, he has several people that work with him on this but there is no question he is the final arbiter of what CAC gives out. Thirdly, as far as I can tell, he does not have any conflict of interest when it comes to grading any individual coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>This contrasts sharply with every person who has a coin to sell. What CAC does is no different in concept than what a dealer does when he puts a handwritten sticker on a slab that says "PQ", meaning "Premium Quality".* That dealer has an inherent and irredeemable conflict of interest when he judges his coin for sale as better than the average. Now, I'm not saying that all dealers' judgements are wrong or that all dealers succumb to their conflict of interest. All I am saying is that all other things being equal, I would trust the judgement of the entity with no conflict over the one with a conflict.</p><p><br /></p><p>Make your own judgements about the value of TPGs and CAC. But there is no disputing the fact that slabbed coins on average bring better prices and move faster than unslabbed coins. There is also no dispute of any significance that, on average, CAC coins bring premiums and Gold CAC coins bring premiums over Green CAC coins. Can you find exceptions? Sure, and some series perform better than others. But the market has spoken.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, don't take anything I've said above as an unreserved endorsement of TPGs or CAC. Both, IMHO, have made mistakes and I am a firm believer in look at the coin first and then look at the assigned grade.</p><p><br /></p><p>* When I first started attending coin shows and was a very neophyte collector, I approached a dealer's multi-table display of slabbed coins that covered almost every 19th and 20th century US series and all in high MS and PR grades. I noticed that he had several coins propped up into prominence and each had a sticker with "PQ" hand written on it. I asked him what "PQ" meant and seeing I was an ignorant rube he replied "It stands for 'Prom Queen'. You know, a coin that really stands out from the norm." The next time I was at a show and saw this, I mentioned to the dealer that his coin was a nice Prom Queen. He laughed and said it stands for "Premium Quality". One of my untold lessons in life to go along with the left-handed monkey wrench and the bucket of steam.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1315602[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 7652155, member: 105571"]Answering your second question first, less than 1% of all coins granted a green CAC certification earn the gold CAC certification. IIRC, the number is something like 0.53%. A green CAC means that the coin is either an A or B quality for the TPG-assigned grade. There are four tiers of coin quality in each grade: A, B, C and D. C is below average for the grade and D is average minus for the grade or even over-graded. So a B coin is average+ for the assigned grade and an A coin is the cream of the crop for that assigned grade. These are the meanings as published and written about by CAC and many respected people in the trade and collecting community. A gold CAC certification means that the coin is under-graded for the assigned TPG grade. In other words, if the TPG gave the coin a MS-62 grade but CAC believes it is actually a MS-63, then it would merit a gold sticker. Now, I do not know if CAC makes the distinction between a MS-63 A, B or C coin. For example, if the MS-62 coin is really a MS-63 but just an average C coin for MS-63, does it get the gold bean? Don't know. I would love to hear some knowledgeable feedback on this question. Below is my 1859 half dime, graded PCGS PR-62 but with a gold CAC bean. So, for a PR-63 grade, would it be an A, B, C, or D coin? The arguments made against CAC that it is just one man's opinion are somewhat spurious. First of all, John Albanese is not just any person, he is the founder of PCGS and NGC and is a noted grader. Secondly, he doesn't work alone, he has several people that work with him on this but there is no question he is the final arbiter of what CAC gives out. Thirdly, as far as I can tell, he does not have any conflict of interest when it comes to grading any individual coin. This contrasts sharply with every person who has a coin to sell. What CAC does is no different in concept than what a dealer does when he puts a handwritten sticker on a slab that says "PQ", meaning "Premium Quality".* That dealer has an inherent and irredeemable conflict of interest when he judges his coin for sale as better than the average. Now, I'm not saying that all dealers' judgements are wrong or that all dealers succumb to their conflict of interest. All I am saying is that all other things being equal, I would trust the judgement of the entity with no conflict over the one with a conflict. Make your own judgements about the value of TPGs and CAC. But there is no disputing the fact that slabbed coins on average bring better prices and move faster than unslabbed coins. There is also no dispute of any significance that, on average, CAC coins bring premiums and Gold CAC coins bring premiums over Green CAC coins. Can you find exceptions? Sure, and some series perform better than others. But the market has spoken. Now, don't take anything I've said above as an unreserved endorsement of TPGs or CAC. Both, IMHO, have made mistakes and I am a firm believer in look at the coin first and then look at the assigned grade. * When I first started attending coin shows and was a very neophyte collector, I approached a dealer's multi-table display of slabbed coins that covered almost every 19th and 20th century US series and all in high MS and PR grades. I noticed that he had several coins propped up into prominence and each had a sticker with "PQ" hand written on it. I asked him what "PQ" meant and seeing I was an ignorant rube he replied "It stands for 'Prom Queen'. You know, a coin that really stands out from the norm." The next time I was at a show and saw this, I mentioned to the dealer that his coin was a nice Prom Queen. He laughed and said it stands for "Premium Quality". One of my untold lessons in life to go along with the left-handed monkey wrench and the bucket of steam. [ATTACH=full]1315602[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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