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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1883070, member: 19463"]Commas would have helped. In the time I have been in the hobby, I have seen a few changes in the way sellers are compensated. Now it is fashionable for an auction to hammer down a coin at a price and then (all explained in the rules not everyone reads but said they read before bidding) tacks on an increasing percentage we call buyer's premium. On top of that, some tack on a fee for using Pay Pal, a credit card, a check, bidding by phone or whatever. Then there are taxes required by jurisdictions including the Value Added Tax which Americans don't know but Europeans do. Postage is added and is not a small number if you are talking International Registered post. The Buyer's Premium thing seems like a rip off to buyers but it enables consignors to avoid heart attacks when they see how much of their $1000 hammer price got siphoned off to pay for the salaries of Ardatirion and the janitor who cleans the floor at the auction house. It really makes no difference whether the house charges 20% extra as long as you remember to bid 20% less. My last purchase from Pecunem ended up being 1/3 add ons over and above the hammer price. I suspect some of the coins I lost went to people who bid $100 for a $100 coin and wondered why their bill was $130. </p><p><br /></p><p>This is why I like shows better than auctions. When you see a coin at a show that is listed at $100, you rarely pay more than $100. It is like Buyer's Premium in reverse. You say, "Can you take $60 for that?" The seller does not even have to know what the coin is. He does not have to photograph it or pay someone to look it up in catalogs that he probably doesn't own anyway. Between 1988 and 2000(13 years), I bought 70 coins from CNG; between 2001 and the present (13 years more) I bought two more coins (computerized record make statistics so much fun!). As more and more of you are willing to pay more and more for the services of full service dealers with professional staffs and ridiculous overhead costs, I doubt this will change. It is not by any means just CNG but all dealers who rarely sell a coin for as little as $100 and who have plenty of buyers willing to pay $130 (or $330) for a $100 coin. </p><p><br /></p><p>There is absolutely nothing wrong with auctions charging buyer's premiums and absolutely nothing wrong with you figuring out how much the coin will cost you before you bid. </p><p><br /></p><p>Fun with statistics: The first coin I bought from CNG (then "Victor England") was $116. The most recent coin in 2010 was also $116 (both including postage and premiums if any). Go figure.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 1883070, member: 19463"]Commas would have helped. In the time I have been in the hobby, I have seen a few changes in the way sellers are compensated. Now it is fashionable for an auction to hammer down a coin at a price and then (all explained in the rules not everyone reads but said they read before bidding) tacks on an increasing percentage we call buyer's premium. On top of that, some tack on a fee for using Pay Pal, a credit card, a check, bidding by phone or whatever. Then there are taxes required by jurisdictions including the Value Added Tax which Americans don't know but Europeans do. Postage is added and is not a small number if you are talking International Registered post. The Buyer's Premium thing seems like a rip off to buyers but it enables consignors to avoid heart attacks when they see how much of their $1000 hammer price got siphoned off to pay for the salaries of Ardatirion and the janitor who cleans the floor at the auction house. It really makes no difference whether the house charges 20% extra as long as you remember to bid 20% less. My last purchase from Pecunem ended up being 1/3 add ons over and above the hammer price. I suspect some of the coins I lost went to people who bid $100 for a $100 coin and wondered why their bill was $130. This is why I like shows better than auctions. When you see a coin at a show that is listed at $100, you rarely pay more than $100. It is like Buyer's Premium in reverse. You say, "Can you take $60 for that?" The seller does not even have to know what the coin is. He does not have to photograph it or pay someone to look it up in catalogs that he probably doesn't own anyway. Between 1988 and 2000(13 years), I bought 70 coins from CNG; between 2001 and the present (13 years more) I bought two more coins (computerized record make statistics so much fun!). As more and more of you are willing to pay more and more for the services of full service dealers with professional staffs and ridiculous overhead costs, I doubt this will change. It is not by any means just CNG but all dealers who rarely sell a coin for as little as $100 and who have plenty of buyers willing to pay $130 (or $330) for a $100 coin. There is absolutely nothing wrong with auctions charging buyer's premiums and absolutely nothing wrong with you figuring out how much the coin will cost you before you bid. Fun with statistics: The first coin I bought from CNG (then "Victor England") was $116. The most recent coin in 2010 was also $116 (both including postage and premiums if any). Go figure.[/QUOTE]
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