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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 265983, member: 112"]Well, there's a couple of problems. One, how does ebay know that the people reporting coins as fakes are telling the truth ? They don't. ebay doesn't have qualified coin experts to sit and examine every coin offered every day and decide, based on pictures, that any given coin is a fake. </p><p><br /></p><p>Also, suppose that Joe Blow reports a coin being by John Doe as a fake just because Joe Blow doesn't like John Doe. What does ebay do about those reports ? They have no way of knowing whether the person doing the reporting is being honest or just vindcitive.</p><p><br /></p><p>Seriously - think about it. You just don't know.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what ebay did is just what we have - they asked for volunteers to be CCW members. Those volunteers were required to be experienced collectors with a good knowledge of coins. And they had to be able to back it up - ebay checked. Then all the reports of fakes or frauds were sent to the CCW members. The CCW members then had to decide, collectively, that they agreed the coin was a fake or it was OK. But because of legal concerns, being sued, ebay had to go one step further. The needed real experts, not just collectors. So they worked out the deal with the ANA. </p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, those deemed to be fake or suspicious by the CCW members were then sent to the ANA for a final decision. If the ANA agreed - fake - the auction was pulled.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I'm not defending ebay. I'm just reporting what actually happens - what ebay <u>did do</u> to try to combat fraud. Could they do more ? Sure the could. But the would have to spend a ton of money to do it just because of the sheer volume. And that is something they are just not willing to do because it would put them out of business.</p><p><br /></p><p>The true bottom line is this - the responsibility for protecting <u>you, the buyer</u> from fraud on ebay does not lie with ebay. It lies with <u>you, the buyer</u>. It is <u><b>our responsibility</b></u> to know enough about what we are buying to not a buy a fake.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 265983, member: 112"]Well, there's a couple of problems. One, how does ebay know that the people reporting coins as fakes are telling the truth ? They don't. ebay doesn't have qualified coin experts to sit and examine every coin offered every day and decide, based on pictures, that any given coin is a fake. Also, suppose that Joe Blow reports a coin being by John Doe as a fake just because Joe Blow doesn't like John Doe. What does ebay do about those reports ? They have no way of knowing whether the person doing the reporting is being honest or just vindcitive. Seriously - think about it. You just don't know. So what ebay did is just what we have - they asked for volunteers to be CCW members. Those volunteers were required to be experienced collectors with a good knowledge of coins. And they had to be able to back it up - ebay checked. Then all the reports of fakes or frauds were sent to the CCW members. The CCW members then had to decide, collectively, that they agreed the coin was a fake or it was OK. But because of legal concerns, being sued, ebay had to go one step further. The needed real experts, not just collectors. So they worked out the deal with the ANA. Anyway, those deemed to be fake or suspicious by the CCW members were then sent to the ANA for a final decision. If the ANA agreed - fake - the auction was pulled. Now, I'm not defending ebay. I'm just reporting what actually happens - what ebay [U]did do[/U] to try to combat fraud. Could they do more ? Sure the could. But the would have to spend a ton of money to do it just because of the sheer volume. And that is something they are just not willing to do because it would put them out of business. The true bottom line is this - the responsibility for protecting [U]you, the buyer[/U] from fraud on ebay does not lie with ebay. It lies with [U]you, the buyer[/U]. It is [U][B]our responsibility[/B][/U] to know enough about what we are buying to not a buy a fake.[/QUOTE]
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