GETA Rome or Laodicia?

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  1. Johnnie Black

    Johnnie Black Neither Gentleman Nor Scholar

    How do you differentiate Rome versus Laodicia? I’m trying to pinpoint the RIC and it seems to be either RIC 2 Rome or RIC 95 Laodicia. Any tips?
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  3. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    From a post by @Mat a long while ago (https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-common-young-geta.238972/), he shared a similar coin (listed RIC 95) and seen to have had a similar mint conversation... Maybe he might know more? He also listed RSC III 44 and BMCRE V 144, maybe there is more definitive descriptions in those references that distinguishes them further?
     
  4. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Looks like Rome to me but I'll defer others more experienced with these chime it. Nice coin BTW.
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'm guessing it's by portrait style. Looking through ACsearch for "geta denarius laodicea", I suspect yours is from Rome.
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see Rome. This is Laodicea style.
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I forgot to mention that the old thread Justin linked covers the matter well. I should also mention that this is a later period than what I have studied in depth and there are coins that I have trouble IDing with certainty. In particular, some of the the Rome style portraits seem sloppy enough to make you suspect they are not official. The subject of Eastern Severans is huge. Martin and I each have specialty interests within the larger whole. He likes the earlier Laodicea while I like the earlier phase of all the mints better but am a lot weaker in Laodicea than is he. I pretty much stopped studying all of these when Roger Bickford-Smith died and it became obvious that continuing his work was not a priority with the people who inherited his papers. That was when I started my web pages and became more of a general collector buying coins that would illustrate some point on a web page. What I know is old news.
     
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  9. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    This is my Laodicea of the same type:-

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  10. Johnnie Black

    Johnnie Black Neither Gentleman Nor Scholar

    Thanks @Justin Lee @TIF @dougsmit and everyone else for all of the detail. It’s interesting to attempt to determine a mint by style. I need to spend some time on the differences.
     
  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    that's a very nice Geta denarius, regardless of which mint..:)
     
  12. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    As a virtual ignoramus, a few simple clues. Laodicea (in Turkey) was a Christian Centre. Seems the name can refer to early Christians being lukewarm or indifferent.
    In 188 BC Laocidea became part of the Kingdom of Pergamon and later on fell into the Roman rule in 133 BC. Levelled by an earthquake during Nero's reign, but re-built. A coiner describes a Laodicean coin as "new-style" Eastern, not Rome."
     
  13. dougsmit

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  14. Johnnie Black

    Johnnie Black Neither Gentleman Nor Scholar

    Thanks! My sole win from the last Frank Robinson auction.
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Frank had two Geta's in this sale. Yours was started a bit lower and brought $1 more than the other. I would be interested in hearing what made you bid on the one you won and not on the other. Both were nice, Rome mint coins with considerable tone. You bid early, I suspect, which might have scared off other bidders but each of the coins has things going for it over the other only if you look into very minor differences. I have seen this before where the lower start coin draws more interest but this time it was only a dollar. Trying to figure out why some coins draw bids and others do not is a side hobby for some of us. There is no answer.
     
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  16. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Wrong Laodicea, I'm told. Ah, well, you win some, you lose some.
     
  17. Johnnie Black

    Johnnie Black Neither Gentleman Nor Scholar

    Yep, I remember viewing both and they had the darker tones that I often like. This one had a little more detail on the obverse while the other had a more interesting and detailed reverse. I suspected this obv had a high relief and it does in hand. Hard to capture in photos I suppose.

    I bid early. I like to set a bid and let it ride so I don’t get myself into a spending frenzy.
     
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