Geta Eternal Victory and my grandson's first coin show

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  1. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    My grandson and I visited the Beaumont, TX coin show today. They had a youth auction and he came away with lots of good stuff. He even sold a note from the auction and turned it into a couple of coins.
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    I was looking for 'Pirate' money at the show. My niece has 3 boys High School age and their mascots are pirates. One of them graduated this year and the class logo was "Once a Pirate, always a Pirate." I was hoping to find something reasonable, but found nothing close. I came away with a great consolation, a Geta Denarius.
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    Geta as Caesar / Eternal Victory
    RIC ?????; 198-209 AD
    Roman Imperial
    Geta as Caesar, A.D. 198-209. AR denarius. Laodicea mint. Struck circa A.D. 200-202.
    Obv - Geta bare-headed, draped, and cuirassed bust right; P SEPT GETA CAES PONT
    Rev - Victory flying left, holding open wreath (it looks more like a Christmas garland to me) over shield on low base; VICT AETERN or eternal victory.
    gVF, well struck from new obverse dies, well centered, some reverse weakness at high points.
    Out of 74 coins on acsearch, 19 of the shields had a border of dots and 55 had plain edges.
    2.85 grams
    17.7 – 19.2 mm diameter oval flan
    RIC IV.1 101.
    RSC 206.
    RIC 23 and 101;
    Coh. 206;
    BMC Sept. Sev. 247-8 and 723.
    Purchased from Garth Clark at the Beaumont Coin Show, 9/18/2021.

    I am not sure of the attribution. I just copied some from acsearch notes. Please comment on the proper numbers.
    I have liked Geta coins since I started collecting, but have not bought one this nice.
    PS - my daughter bought me the T-shirt last week.
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Wow, what a great Saturday! I'm still an empty-nester in the "waiting for grandchildren" stage. Coin shows are fun for collectors of all ages.

    Here's my Geta denarius with that reverse design. It's not as nice as yours:

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  4. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    You are blessed with a grandson sharing the same interest in coins. Great thread.

    Geta's daddy:

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  5. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Congrats. The coin has excellent details, centering and surface.
    I only have 1 Geta coin (a provincial from Ephesos).
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    I bought this one, the auction house attributed it incorrectly as Geta, specifying and incorrect legend as well
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    Actually it is not P SEPT GETA CAES PONT, it's M AVR ANTON CAES PONTIF, the good brother Caracalla.


    Now on your coin, the difference between RIC 23 and 101 is that 23 is from Rome mint and 101 from Laodicea ad Mare mint. There are Several specialists here with much more knowledge than I have (I also have issues when trying to determine the mint for coins struck in separate mints, as the difference is only the style), but I would say your coin is RIC IV Geta 23, from Rome.
     
  6. ominus1

    ominus1 When in Rome, do as the Romans do Supporter

    ...kool coin & story rr...it will always hold a special significance :)
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

    Sounds like a fun day. Grandkids and coin shows, not a bad combination. I'm trying to imagine what a "pirate" coin would be. "Pieces of eight," maybe? Or perhaps a coin of Carausius?
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    Carausius
    Augustus, A.D. 286/7-292
    Billon Antoninianus
    London mint
    Obv: IMP C CARAVSIVS P F AVG
    Rev: PAX AVG - Pax, standing left, holding olive branch and vertical scepter
    S in left field; P in right
    RIC 475
    23mm, 4.3g.
     
  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Talk me through the process that led you to change the mint assignment to 'Laodicea'. Your seller envelope reads RIC 23 but you quote both the listings including RIC 101 the 'Laodicea' listing. Ambr0zie suggest Rome. I suggest you research more and decide what you think. Is my coin below barbarous? Yours is a fine example and a good purchase. Do you agree with ambr0sie?
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Nice score & bargain priced too :jawdrop:! I'm sure the kid will be happy with this coin for many years to come :happy:. My favorite coin of a mature Geta is pictured below.
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  10. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    I was thinking an 8 Real coin. Hammered cobs would be best. I found a couple but they were a bit out of my price range. I was surprised I saw no struck 8 Real coins.

    A coin of Pompey's fight against pirates or money that would have paid Julius Caesar's ransom when he was kidnapped by Cilician pirates while sailing the Aegean Sea would work too.
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    My favorite pirate coin is this Tarkondimotos who was a Cilician pirate who allied with several Imperators along the way until he died shortly before Actium on the wrong side. His coin has the reverse exergue legend 'friend of Antony' but most of them were countermarked on the obverse so as to erase that legend. His sons allied with Octavian. These people were, after all, pirates and pirates loyalty is 'negotiable'.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcondimotus_I
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    My example had the c/m misstruck so it failed to erase the 'friend of Antony' on the reverse making it a better coin than most IMHO.

    Most kids would rather have a really poor cob 8 reales with no legible date and mint marks making the coin undesirable to most collectors and, hopefully, cheaper. The bad ones are really bad but they are good to pirate's point of view.
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8460721
     
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  12. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    Be advised that pirate shares included minor coins which the pirates threw away. Frequently used were Dutch Indies DUIT coins around 1700. Those also circulated in New York and are frequently promoted as AMERICA'S FIRST COINS. I dug many of them around the pirate stronghold of BARRATARIA BAY, LOUISIANA in the 1970s. Lafitte had many men there. Fractional cobs are also an inexpensive option. good luck in your search.
     
  13. Ryro

    Ryro The last of the Diadochi Supporter

    Bwahaha! Your daughter has great taste in shirts:hilarious:
    Here's my Geta and his pops with the same reverse as yours:
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  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    You are a very fortunate Papaw! Neat picture, thanks for sharing.
     
  15. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    Geta Caesar (son of Septimius Severus) AR Denarius 202 AD. Obv. As young boy, bare-headed, draped & cuirassed bust right, P SEPT GETA CAES PONT/ Rev. Securitas seated left on throne with globe, SECVRIT IMPERII. RIC IV-1 20b, RSC III 183A, Sear RCV II 7200. 18 mm., 3.17 g.

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  16. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @rrdenarius....That's a great looking Geta!

    Geta, as Caesar, AR Denarius. Rome, AD 203-208.( Minted AD 205 )
    Ob- GETA CAES PONT COS, bare-headed and draped bust right.
    Rev- VOTA PVBLICA, Geta standing left, sacrificing out of patera over tripod & holding roll.
    RIC#38b. 3.57g, 14mm, 7h.


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  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Supporter! Supporter

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    Geta
    Caesar, A.D. 198-209
    Augustus, A.D. 209-212

    Silver Denarius
    Rome mint, A.D. 198-200
    Obv: L SEPTIMIVS GETA CAES
    Rev: SPES PVBLICA - Spes, advancing left, holding flower and raising skirt
    RIC 4
    18mm, 3.4g.
     
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  18. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @dougsmit....
    .....That's a lovely example!.....This is a coin type I've been looking for and now appreciate just how difficult it is to find a 'friend of Antony' legend decipherable on one.........
     
  19. Dafydd

    Dafydd Supporter! Supporter

    I'm having a Geta moment this afternoon.
    Geta as Augustus (209-212)

    As, Rome, c. AD 211

    Obv: P SEPTIMIVS GETA PIVS AVG BRIT, laureate head r.

    Rev: FORT RED TR P III COS II, S C in exergue, Fortuna enthroned l., holding rudder and cornucopiae, wheel below seat.

    10.25g.

    RCV 7279, RIC 175(a).
    Geta as Augustus (209-212)

    As, Rome, c. AD 211

    Obv: P SEPTIMIVS GETA PIVS AVG BRIT, laureate head r.

    Rev: FORT RED TR P III COS II, S C in exergue, Fortuna enthroned l., holding rudder and cornucopiae, wheel below seat.
    Copperbark Ltd 2021.
    My interest of course is the BRIT legend on the obverse. View attachment 1376586

    10.25g.

    RCV 7279, RIC 175(a).
     
  20. Dafydd

    Dafydd Supporter! Supporter

    I'm sorry, I seemed to have uploaded two images, tried to edit one and then lost both of them!
    Here is the coin.
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